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Would you all like to see ISO 4548-12 Oil Filter Lab Testing Comparison, Efficiency & Capacity, Pressure vs Flow, Bubble Point, and Burst?
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The efficiency test should shed some light on this question. Relatively speaking.
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Any updates on when the video on this testing might be available? I am looking forward to it
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Looking like next week for the video. Hoping to get the tests done by Friday evening, just depends on how fast I can get some other tests run. Might have to do a pre video because, this test is much more complex to run. I doubt anyone will want to watch a 45 min video on filtration lolAny updates on when the video on this testing might be available? I am looking forward to it
Trying to figure out how I want to film it, as I don't want to film my machine, since I have some custom designs and components in it that I do not want my competition to copy.
If we were betting I am not sure I would want to take you up on that one
I'll pm you a few names and y'all can get a zoom room.
To stir the pot ant that is the only reason ,, Why have I seen many 350,000 to 400,000 mile engines running quick lube oil and house filters.
Don't mean to go off track from the thread focus, but regular oil changes are part of the equation to keep the sump oil cleaner - dumps what the filter can't catch. If the sump was dumped every 500 miles you wouldn't need much if any oil filter (as an example).
Higher efficiency oil filters are more effective in keeping the oil cleaner as the OCI goes up. Engine wear is a function of the overall oil cleanliness and the number of times the oil goes round-and-round in the oiling system. Sump capacity is also part of the equation with respect to how many times the same oil goes through the system. Running an 8 qt sump through the same engine vs 4 qt sump under the same conditions cuts the round trips of the oil in half. Running a more efficient oil filter with shorter OCIs doesn't hurt anything, except maybe gives a bit less ROI.
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I only test existing filters for quality control or QA and try to identify defects and process improvements, help manufacturers with R and D for filter prototypes/products, and run comparison testing studies for companies with large fleets/engines to optimize the life cycle of their assets by finding the best preforming filters among a large convoluted set of choices.
What you have seen as far as number of 350,000-400,000 mile engines in your experience running quick lube and house filters I cannot say sir.
Appreciate the videos and the efforts to not only perform the tests but recording and editing the videos.
I also appreciate z06's commentary as to the gallons per minute and how much an average engine pumps through the filter. A little context.
I can easily imagine the volume of 13 gallon milkjugs, but 49.5 liters, no so much.
Sorry, I can't click like buttons on you tube or FB or the like, or subscribe, it's a personal problem.
I also appreciate z06's commentary as to the gallons per minute and how much an average engine pumps through the filter. A little context.
I can easily imagine the volume of 13 gallon milkjugs, but 49.5 liters, no so much.
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CT8... In those cases.. . It could be that vehicles run a lot of miles per year and they see routinely long trips could add up miles very, very quickly...
I have a neighbor with a late 80s Ford Escort with. . . Get this.... 1,000,000+ miles.... My neighbor told me that they car was used by his mom for a good number of years delivering papers daily. That made it possible for those miles to add up.
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I'm glad you enjoy them! Yes, ZeeOSix is very knowledgeable on filters and his insight on this thread has been absolutely indispensable.
I apologize for the units used, just being lazy and using units set form the previous job. Will make sure to convert and report the data, or re-program the instruments to Gallons and PSID in the next one.
Yes I am stirring the pot because operation when the engine has reached a stabilized operating temps will give the longest engine life as compared to short time and mile use no matter the quality of the oil filter.
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Would you please substantiate your vague claim: define, describe, and most importantly substantiate with data, the relationship between stabilized operating temperatures, time, longest engine life, "short time", mile, and oil filters.
^^^ There seems to be a sweet spot in engine and oil temperature in which wear is minimized. If an engine was always short tripped vs very long trips, then it seems there could be an increased level of wear over time - at least with cylinder/ring wear. Might be the same with other engine parts.
The oil filter doesn't have anything to do with that of course, but the oil filter is still helping in terms of removing any debris in the oil which can also cause a separate wear mechanism (3-body wear in moving parts), regardless of where the debris comes from. The two are really separate scenarios going on at the same time, so engine wear from non-ideal engine and oil operating temperature is leaving the focus of this thread.
See info in post 172 and 173 in this thread:
The oil filter doesn't have anything to do with that of course, but the oil filter is still helping in terms of removing any debris in the oil which can also cause a separate wear mechanism (3-body wear in moving parts), regardless of where the debris comes from. The two are really separate scenarios going on at the same time, so engine wear from non-ideal engine and oil operating temperature is leaving the focus of this thread.
See info in post 172 and 173 in this thread:
10W vs 10W-30 vs SAE 30 cylinder wear
Sure it does when was the last time you say a 10W40 or 5W40 with an additive package like a 5W20 or 0W20 have... I am talking regular off the shelf oil in North America not Redline or some other mail order oil!!! If it is not on the shelf at Walmart it does not count!! SInce Walmart is the...
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Z, This is an interesting graph and I agree with you.
At this time no engine will start at optimal temperature, and according to this graph wear will still occur until this temp is reached and exceeded. By fluid dynamics alone (Reynolds transport theory/particle transport theory) predicts there is an optimal temperature where particles will pass through the fluid with minimal resistance on it's journey to the filter, thus validating the shape of the graph.
I agree two completely separate phenomena happening:
1) Optimal flow for transportation of solid particles through the engine (not getting stuck between moving parts) and those particles moving due to less resistance are finding their way to filter for retention
2) Less particles sheading from internal components due to optimal temp (viscous) conditions.
Particles will still be present at optimal conditions.
For anyone to suggest that filter efficiency is arbitrary due to temperature is absolutely preposterous.
I have seen some information that suggests that the Fram Ultra and Tough Guard can effectively filter as low as 50% @ 3 microns. I would have to dig around this site but I know Motorking Jay stated that the Ultra can do 80% @ 5 microns.
Donaldson Blue is top notch but I do wish they would expand their Blue product line with more filter offerings for light duty passenger vehicles.
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