Workout supplements.

Pretty much most places says its a waste of money. Most people get too much protein in their diet anyways. Real food is better than protein powders.


unable to read that afr article, apparently one has to be a subscriber, but one can get plenty of protein with regular meals
 
Some very poor advice and suggestions in this thread, that's for sure.

I use joint supplements,fish oil,stim-free pre-work out,liver supplements most of the time.

Food-wise concentrate on the lean meats and stay far away from sugars.
Such bs.

You are telling the world to eat meat when people are becoming vegetarian or vegan? Even Arnold Schwarzenegger is mostly a vegan now, and if you follow him, you will see he keeps stating that eating meat to get strong was shown to be a myth, as they didn't know better at the time.
 
Such bs.

You are telling the world to eat meat when people are becoming vegetarian or vegan? Even Arnold Schwarzenegger is mostly a vegan now, and if you follow him, you will see he keeps stating that eating meat to get strong was shown to be a myth, as they didn't know better at the time.
That program that has been laughed at and debunked over and over give me a break.
 
Such bs.

You are telling the world to eat meat when people are becoming vegetarian or vegan? Even Arnold Schwarzenegger is mostly a vegan now, and if you follow him, you will see he keeps stating that eating meat to get strong was shown to be a myth, as they didn't know better at the time.

Sorry your not providing anything to provide evidence of that at all.Not only lack of evidence but the top tier bodybuilding competitors are not vegans. Your obviously clueless about the bodybuilding competitors and nutrition.
 
We could line up and list experts after experts Including doctors to say it just an opinion or flat out not true.
And your point?? Isn't the nutrition/supplement business mostly opinion as the doctors and experts don't agree with each other and the so-called facts change every year? The whole point of these threads is to ask about people's personal experiences. If that's not what you want, don't come here at all. There is something called Google, which you can use to search for papers or "expert" opinions on the subject.
 
And your point?? Isn't the nutrition/supplement business mostly opinion as the doctors and experts don't agree with each other and the so-called facts change every year? The whole point of these threads is to ask about people's personal experiences. If that's not what you want, don't come here at all. There is something called Google, which can use to search for papers or "expert" opinions on the subject.

Doctors don't know about nutrition FYI. They don't go-to school for that,dieticians know nutrition.
 
Sorry your not providing anything to provide evidence of that at all.Not only lack of evidence but the top tier bodybuilding competitors are not vegans. Your obviously clueless about the bodybuilding competitors and nutrition.
Are you serious?? Top-tier bodybuilding competitors thrive on steroids. They can get ripped by lifting 5 lb dumbbells and pretty much anything they eat. Even women can bulk up 250 lb of lean body mass. How does that apply to you again? You are following the wrong people.
 
Are you serious?? Top-tier bodybuilding competitors thrive on steroids. They can get ripped by lifting 5 lb dumbbells and pretty much anything they eat. Even women can bulk up 250 lb of lean body mass. How does that apply to you again? You are following the wrong people.

You obviously don't have a clue.Drugs are only half of the entire process. Training and diet are most important sorry.
 
You obviously don't have a clue.Drugs are only half of the entire process. Training and diet are most important sorry.
Half?? Really. See the pics of those guys after they've stopped taking steroids and decide for yourself. It's more like 80–90% in their case.

Of course, training and diet are crucial, too, and one would be a fool to dispute that, but you made some unsubstantiated claims, which were false. You don't need meat, liver, stew, whatever, etc. to get big. There are many dieting options out there.
 
Half?? Really. See the pics of those guys after they've stopped taking steroids and decide for yourself. It's more like 80–90% in their case.

Of course, training and diet are crucial, too, and one would be a fool to dispute that, but you made some unsubstantiated claims, which were false. You don't need meat, liver, stew, whatever, etc. to get big. There are many dieting options out there.

You stop training,they no longer need to take steroids and other things that are currently used which you know nothing about obviously.

Stick with what you know because your abit behind the entire process.
 
You stop training,they no longer need to take steroids and other things that are currently used which you know nothing about obviously.

Stick with what you know because your abit behind the entire process.
So, per yourself, the other things are:

"joint supplements,fish oil,stim-free pre-work out,liver supplements most of the time.

Food-wise concentrate on the lean meats"

Again, give me a break dude. Your life is based on the Internet hypes. You must be a millenial who believes everything he/she sees on the Internet.

And post your progress pictures and let's see how much you've been bulking up on these foods and supplements.
 
Pretty much most places says its a waste of money. Most people get too much protein in their diet anyways. Real food is better than protein powders.



For the vast majority of us, this is correct.

Most people that buy the protein powder from Walmart end up using the bathroom a lot because the body rejects the extra protein...

:poop:
 
And your point?? Isn't the nutrition/supplement business mostly opinion as the doctors and experts don't agree with each other and the so-called facts change every year? The whole point of these threads is to ask about people's personal experiences. If that's not what you want, don't come here at all. There is something called Google, which can use to search for papers or "expert" opinions on the subject.
You claim just cause I eat lean meats fish eggs everyday it's the end for me and unhealthy you couldn't keep up with the eating 700grams Broccoli for dinner. 650grams cauliflower lunch eating around 3 lbs of vegetables daily I live to overeat and stay lean and healthy.
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