Why VW Asked For It

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This incident is a few weeks old, but it's still worth sharing.

I had dropped by the local Wheelworks to get a quote for some tires. While waiting in line to speak with the assistant manager, I noticed that another rep was finishing a transaction for an oil change. Recognizing the filter part number, I knew that the car was a Passat 1.8T. I then noticed that they had installed Kendall GT-1 5w30 Synthetic Blend into the car.

But the Passat 1.8T requires a VW 502.00 approved oil!!! When I asked him why a 502.00 approved oil wasn't used, he looked rather clueless and the assistant manager said, well, it is a blend.
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See, that brings me to my point. I think VW dug their own grave when it comes to this sludge mess. They asked for it. Because of the way that they worded the oil recommendations in the owner's manual, it is very easy to assume that any 5w30 or 5W-40 engine oil is acceptable. As an example, I looked up two 2004MY VWs in Amsoil's look-up system, a Passat 1.8T and a Jetta 2.0.

When you look-up the Passat 1.8T, you see "SEO" listed under engine oil, followed by this note:

"Models with 1.8L Engine codes AEB, ATW, AUG, AWM only
use engine oil that conform to volkswagen oil standard
VW 502.00 (with viscosities of SAE 5W-40, 5w30 or 0W-40). "

When you look-up the Jetta 2.0, you see this:

"All Temps......5w30, 5W-40"

Both of those engines require a full synthetic, VW 502.00 approved engine oil. Notice that with the Passat, the shop software mentions the VW 502.00 oil standard. Most consumers and repair shop owners have no clue what that standard is, instead, they brush off VW 502.00 as some rip-off and unneeded specification. Seeing 5W30 as one of the listed viscosities, they then proceed to installing 5W30 conventional oil. If VW had put the two words "full synthetic" in their owner's manual and on the oil cap, they would've saved themselves a lot of trouble.

At least GM did it correctly. On the Corvette, they put the Mobil 1 logo on the oil cap. They also put GM 4718M in the owner's manual. But people got the message, they saw Mobil 1 on the cap and they knew that the car needed a full synthetic oil of some kind. VW should have done the same by putting "synthetic oil required" or something along those lines on the cap. Even if the car did not receive a 502.00 approved synthetic oil, any full synthetic oil would've prevented those sludge problems.

Would you folks agree with me that VW handled this poorly? Just a few words could have saved them a lot of trouble and their reputation.
 
I'm still trying to figure out if my 2006 PD Tdi really needs a VW spec that is now 5 years old ( 505.01) or is that spec so old that any really good synthetic will do the trick. Right now I am running Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck oil since I have seen excellent used oil analysis from other members who use it. Its not 505.01 spec.
 
Way to go Amsoil...
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VW needs to do a better job at educating their dealerships, or put a sticker under the hood of the cars that require the spec. that says "Warning not using an oil with spec. XXXX will void warranty!"
 
A better question for VW would be: "why does VW 2.0L engine requires synthetic oil when there are many other 2.0L from other manufacturers that do not?"
 
Why do GM engines need an anti leak tablet.

Plenty of services carried out where the tabs weren't added.
 
Originally Posted By: azsynthetic
A better question for VW would be: "why does VW 2.0L engine requires synthetic oil when there are many other 2.0L from other manufacturers that do not?"


I sense an "anti-synthetic vibe."
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The 2.0 really only requires a Group III oil, which is sufficiently synthetic if it meets the proper specs. The oil change interval dictates of course to a large degree what quality oil is required. What's the normal OCI for a VW with the 2.0? I bet it's over 7,500 miles.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Why do GM engines need an anti leak tablet.

Plenty of services carried out where the tabs weren't added.


Shannow, don't forget Subaru, their head gasket easters have specified coolant tabs too. But at least you agree; VW, GM and Subaru have been substandard.

BTW, Mercedes Benz ran into the same thing as VW essentially. MB had an ~$120 million lawsuit because they tested their engines for up to 20,000 miles on the oils they specify in Europe. Just like VW, when MB dealers and users put in regular oil or the fake stuff like Castrol Syntec and tried to run it like Mercedes said they could to 20K miles... $120 million in blown engines and labor later.

Mercedes got smart at least recommend Mobil 1. That way you put in an oil that is a real long drain synthetic unlke castrol where most of their long drain stuff is boutique oils from Europe and typically only found for outrageous prices at dealers or hit and miss if you pick up some 0w30 GC somewhere.
 
KP, yep, as to the other mentioned problems, I agree and have all along on the VW issue.

If they need a unique oil, additive, facial expression when carrying out otherwise routine maintenance activities then they're become too "special"

I'll temper that with API tests/specs being developed on largely US designed engines with their own special lubricant issues.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Why do GM engines need an anti leak tablet.



Ahhh, that's one way to change the subject - bash GM!
 
Add me to the list of people who think VW should have designed their engines for US cars to run on any off the shelf API S_ 5w30 and/or 5w40 synthetic. I also think their diesels should have been designed to run on Rotella/Delo, etc.

Personally, I said to heck to VW's oil standards a while ago. I now use whatever flavor 0/5/10w30 synthetic I'm in the mood for. My 1.8T engine doesn't seem to care what I feed it.
 
But wavinwayne, you are a BITOG member and do preventative maintenance! You make informed decisions on what to put in your VW.

Most consumers, when AND IF they change the oil, pull into the local quick lube and tell them “change the oil”. Even if the quick lube recognizes that this is a VW that needs a specific oil, chances are they will just put in the 5W30 bulk oil and put a sticker on the windshield for a new change in 3000 mi.

VW needs to put a brand specific sticker on the oil fill cap. I am not convinced that the quick lube personnel or the local mechanic will know what “VW 502.00” is. Even competent high performance mechanics make poor oil decisions.
 
I sure like the way Honda handled their first turbo engine requirements. Exactly the way VW and Subaru should have.
 
Critic, I will agree with you on this. I find that in general many people, companies and governments have no idea of the basics of successful communication or human behavior, or the consequences of not concentrating on it. You see it in user manuals which don't present information logically, controls with labels or pictures which are not intuitive, or messages which can be taken many ways.

I mentioned recently a sign on our toll booths - "not responsible for gate arm damage". Does that mean they aren't responsible for damage to the car, or I'm not responsible for damage to the arm? If I ever hit one, I'm going to claim the latter.

I think this is absolutely the worst in the tech industry, where you have tech types writing user manuals - two areas diametrically opposed in skill and personality types. They start out with a disrespect for non-techies in general, attempt to "communicate" with them using arcane industry jargon, then blame the resulting problem on the user.
 
Yes, I would agree with you that VW mishandled this.
The oil choice situation at "Wheelworks" unfortunately goes on at some VW dealers as well.
Horror stories of wrong choice are not only at the quick lube locations. That is even worse "mishandling". IMHO
 
Thanks Critic for sharing.

This makes me want to dump the Maxlife i have in my wifes 2.0L. Maybe i should go back to GC or try some Elf...my question is what ever happened to keeping things simple. VW seems to be the only manufacture that has confusing specs.
 
ARB1977,

Mercedes plays this game, too. My wife's '04 ML350 has fluid spec. #'s out the wazzoo in the owners manual.
 
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Would you folks agree with me that VW handled this poorly? Just a few words could have saved them a lot of trouble and their reputation.


Most of the issues, iirc, occurred before we even saw revision number 99 on the VW/MB 50x.xx/229.xx never ending story. It's what put GC on the map. Too many sales with too few distribution/service points for the sold fleet. VW's were numerous. VW dealers were not. Nor convenient. I doubt all the dealers even used the stuff. The consumer found the easiest pathway to service ...somewhere else.

I think it's just that simple.
 
Originally Posted By: azsynthetic
A better question for VW would be: "why does VW 2.0L engine requires synthetic oil when there are many other 2.0L from other manufacturers that do not?"

Because they want you to run 10K OCI with it.
 
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