Why is havoline so popular?

[sxg6]

I just cant figure it out. Why do people think so highly of havoline dino? Yeah, it produces decent uoa's, no better than any other conventional in my opinion. I honestly think its just because it has more moly than other dino's. If you are a havoline fan.. I just need help understanding why?

[ May 23, 2006, 11:46 PM: Message edited by: sxg6 ]

 

[Highroller]

Im not a havoline fan, im a huge fan of good oils. But with Havoline, i guess you can say that it's relatively cheaper then most other dinos and it has a very good add package. Moly from what i understand is somewhat expensive to produce. You may get other takes on what i've commented or other answers besides what i've said here...

 

[Frank D]

Good oil at a good price.

 

[mikemc]

Havoline and Chevron Supreme gained a following here mostly due to good base oils/add packs and generating UOA's as good or better than much more expensive oils. Bang for the buck.

 

[ekpolk]

Walk through a typical store that sells a wide range of oils, and marvel at how Valvoline is priced at almost a buck a quart more than Havoline. Then compare their respective UOAs. That should go a long way toward answering your question. As Mike said, bang for the buck.

 

[GMorg]

sxg6,

I think that Havoline has proven itself via UOA and long term usage and it is not expensive. Based on those things, Havoline should be popular.

However, I agree with the undertone of your original post. I think that many here are influenced too much by elemental analysis. I don't think that Mo is the only culprit, but it seems to be at the top of the list. At the end of the day, performance and cost are the only parameters that should matter. However, the "more is better" crowd will always be present.

 

[sxg6]

Thanks for the input guys. I did forget about havoline's attractive price tag, it is a great bang for the buck oil.

 

[GMorg]

Highroller: "very good add package"

mikemc: "good base oils/add packs"

From my read of these posts, it seems that at least some people like what they see from elemental analysis. Since I don't know of way to determine a modern add pack from elemental analysis, I cannot confirm the composition of Havoline's additive package.

 

[GROUCHO MARX]

No car has blown up from its use. At least none that I'm aware.

 

[Auto-Union]

I like that I feel safe blending various grades including the HDEO Delo because they all contain similar base oils and threrefore the additives should be compatible. I don't feel that blending other brands will achieve as good of a result.

 

[tmorris1]

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Originally posted by ekpolk:
Walk through a typical store that sells a wide range of oils, and marvel at how Valvoline is priced at almost a buck a quart more than Havoline. Then compare their respective UOAs. That should go a long way toward answering your question. As Mike said, bang for the buck.

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Havoline seems to be a great oil for the money. I agree that Valvoline is priced higher, but I haven't seen too many bad UOA from it though.

 

[abimanyu]

I changed my oil today and recommended some brands for my female friends and educated her while at it. I saw Full Synthetic Havoline 5w40,10w40,5w30 with grey bottles. and also Havoline Semi-Syth. I read the label and on the bottom of the bottle it was written Made in Singapore under the supervision of Havoline U.S.A. But gosh the price is $9 for the full synth 5w40 and 5w40! Singapore to Indonesia takes about an hour flight. So how come Havoline is more expensive than French made full synth TOTAL/FINA with the same viscosities?

So we went with the TOTAL QUARZT 9000 5w40 top of the line from TOTAL for $6 per quart.

 

[bighead]

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Originally posted by ekpolk:
Walk through a typical store that sells a wide range of oils, and marvel at how Valvoline is priced at almost a buck a quart more than Havoline. Then compare their respective UOAs. That should go a long way toward answering your question. As Mike said, bang for the buck.

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Havoline seems to be a great oil for the money. I agree that Valvoline is priced higher, but I haven't seen too many bad UOA from it though.

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Have you seen any bad UOA's with Havoline?

 

[Ray H]

Who'd wanna bet that John Q. would be more impressed with Chevron Supreme and Havoline motor oils if Chevron Oil Co., Inc. would spend millions in glitzy TV advertising on their brands? That way the selling price would have to be raised and John Q. knows that higher price indicates better qualtiy. At least BITOGERs know better than to believe higher selling price is always a reliable indicator of top quality. Right?

 

[tmorris1]

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Originally posted by ekpolk:
Walk through a typical store that sells a wide range of oils, and marvel at how Valvoline is priced at almost a buck a quart more than Havoline. Then compare their respective UOAs. That should go a long way toward answering your question. As Mike said, bang for the buck.

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Havoline seems to be a great oil for the money. I agree that Valvoline is priced higher, but I haven't seen too many bad UOA from it though.

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Have you seen any bad UOA's with Havoline?

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Nope.., but my point was that I haven't seen bad ones with Valvoline either. I have been using Valvoline for the past 2 years for free using their rebates. It is hard to beat it for that price.

 

[jeepman]

I got turned onto Havoline thanks to BITOG while looking for a good dino to use with ARX. I used it in a very fickle 02 PT Cruiser that was making valve train noise with some other oils, and it smoothed the engine right out. I am sure the other oils were giving the same protection, but I just couldn't get past the noise. The Moly count is what got me started using it, but now it is in all 3 cars and I like the price/performance that I feel I am getting. Castrol, Valvoline, Motorcraft, Pennzoil and others are the same price for a 5 quart jug at Wally's, but the fickle car says it want's Havoline and the others agree, so I just give em what they want. I have tried others (TropArtic, ST dino, M1, PP, etc.) and some were okay, but my intention is to bleed down my stash and go all Havoline across the board.

 

[m2200b]

Bang for the buck at .59 cents a quart for CS.

 

[sprintman]

Havoline Energy 5W30 is one of the most high tech oils sold in this country or o'seas. A joint Texaco, Ford, Rover, Jaguar project from Europe. I was lucky enough to get a case of four 5-litre jugs recently even though it's been off the market here for nearly two years. 6% better fuel economy in independent testing than it's competitors.

 

[211311]

Ray H already said it!

 

[JohnBrowning]

It is easier to find Havoline because every AutoZone carriers it! Chevron Supreme is hard to find since most Walmarts quit stocking it on the shelfs!