Why don't they teach kids to actually drive?

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I don't know that 2 more years of being coddled by society (from 16 until 18) would make much difference. Most of the almost and 20somethings I know are just as stupid.

One of my friends had the idea of making everyones first vehicle a 100HP motorcycle with only a rear brake. People who survived 1 year on it were then free to purchase whatever car they chose. I think it might work. =)
 
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Octane...when you get older, run for president and I will vote for you.



I appreciate it, but I'm not corrupt enough to run for president. Besides, I live in Canada...it'd be Prime Minister
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I disagree on automatic tranny's, ABS, stability control, roll over protection, traction control and the like being any detriment to a young or old driver. The one exception is most but not all are aware of awd.

Many people just drive the vehicle with no awareness of any of these systems or what they do. Most current drivers now are at least trained not to "pump the brakes". In a way lack of knowledge of what these systems do does not make for dependence on anything.

AWD is a problem sometimes as it makes the driver unaware at times of their stopping and turning abilities.

If conditions are bad I have limited interest in going out. My two daughters are not going to be driving in any awful weather except with me in the front front passenger seat.
 
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I disagree on automatic tranny's, ABS, stability control, roll over protection, traction control and the like being any detriment to a young or old driver. The one exception is most but not all are aware of awd.

Many people just drive the vehicle with no awareness of any of these systems or what they do. Most current drivers now are at least trained not to "pump the brakes". In a way lack of knowledge of what these systems do does not make for dependence on anything.




You contradicted yourself a little bit here. You said driver aids are no detriment to any driver, then you said that people drive the vehicle with no awareness of what these things do. If you ask me, not knowing a driver aid is there/not knowing exactly what it does is a lot more dangerous than not having it at all. Under normal driving conditions, one probably would not notice any effects of anti-lock brakes, traction control, or stability control, because they aren't being utilized. Then, come winter, somebody pulls out in front of you on a snow covered road and you have no choice but to panic stop - this is where anti-lock brakes, for example, will really screw you up.

Sometimes while driving with my mom in our Chrysler 300C on perfectly dry city roads I will push the "traction control off" button on the dash. After a few kilometers she will look down at her gauges (shows you how little she looks) and see the little icon that depicts a car sliding out of control - she freaks out, tells me she could have crashed because of it and insists that I turn it back on.

A few years ago my parents bought my sister a brand new 2004 Jeep Liberty, 3.7L V6, loaded for Christmas...I got a cheap grocery store DVD player (guess who got the short end of that stick?). Anyway, she had been driving for a year or so and was actually a pretty decent driver for a teenage girl, but I explained to her how the four wheel drive worked (I was twelve at the time) and suggested that she puts it into "4-HI" until she gets to clear pavement because the roads had yet to be plowed. So she starts driving, takes the first bend in the road and instantly slides sideways into a 4' high snow bank and gets stuck, less than 50' from our house. She said she thought four-wheel-drive would make it "not slippery".

You have to remember that ANY "aid" of any kind is going to create dependence. Vehicle mechanics worked for years just fine without any power tools of any kind. If you took away all of a mechanic's electric and pneumatic power tools these days he or she would be lost, they would be unproductive, not make any money, and you would never hear the end of it. Take away a teenage girl's automatic transmission that she's driven exclusively with for years and replace it with a five speed manual and she won't be driving again until she stops complaining and learns how to drive it.
 
When I was a Paramedic in the 70's teenage drivers were as good as drunks at having and causing accidents. When you combined a teenage driver with alcohol the accidents were predictable. Many young drivers are controlled by peer pressures and should not be driving. Young drivers should be separated from their peers and the penalties for violations should be more severe. That is the only way I can think of that would help and could be implemented.
 
Octane has it right on.

I've become so used to driving smaller, older cars with manual trannies, no ABS, etc., or older trucks with manual trannies (cars that require some skill to drive), that I honestly feel more confortable, confident, and in control in these type of vehicles compared to cars with AWD, automatic trannies, stabilaantiskidballscratcherocoffeemakerIpodholder control. I know what it feels like for a car to skid and I'm used to using the throttle and brakes when skidding. I don't like it when the car takes that feeling away.
 
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Octane has it right on.

I've become so used to driving smaller, older cars with manual trannies, no ABS, etc., or older trucks with manual trannies (cars that require some skill to drive), that I honestly feel more confortable, confident, and in control in these type of vehicles compared to cars with AWD, automatic trannies, stabilaantiskidballscratcherocoffeemakerIpodholder control. I know what it feels like for a car to skid and I'm used to using the throttle and brakes when skidding. I don't like it when the car takes that feeling away.



Exactly. If all drivers grew up driving vehicles like this, there wouldn't be so many horrible drivers on the roads. JHZR2 has a good point in regards to understanding of math and science having a lot to do with it, but the key issue here is COMMON SENSE (or the lack thereof). The first vehicle I ever drove was an old beat-to----- Chevrolet 3500 dually with a big diesel engine and a five speed manual transmission. I was probably about twelve years old at the time, and I was helping out at the race track in the back shop. The truck (for track property use only by the way, not even remotely street legal) was loaded up with garbage and they told me to drive it to the dumpster (at the other end of the property, probably a kilometer away at least), unload it, and come back for another load. I got in, started it, put it into gear and started driving. Common sense and a few years of motocross taught me how to operate a manual transmission. When I was close to the dumpster I let off the gas, and went to hit the brakes so I could turn around, stop, and back up to the dumpster - pedal went to the floor, no brakes. My initial reaction was to slowly ease on the emergency brake. Nothing. From there I determined the only logical course of action was to downshift and use engine braking to slow me down. I skipped from third gear to first, let out the clutch and the rear tires locked up a little bit (gravel parking lot) but I was able to slow down and park it sideways beside the dumpster and unload it. Keep in mind this all happened within a few seconds. When I drove it back to the shop I had to do the same thing to stop. A few of the guys I was working with were laughing because they "forgot to tell me about the brakes" but were impressed that I could even drive the thing, let alone react in a situation like that. They said they usually just slow down as much as they can and coast into the dumpster in neutral, and when the front of the truck hits the dumpster it will stop.
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driving liscence exams are too easy to pass, and i think ive got a bit of proof. back when i was 10 or so i got my first console system and basically learned how to drive cars and motorcycles on consoles.
i skipped the automobile learners permit and just went and took the liscence exam when i was 16. not having ever driven a car IN MY LIFE. i passed. i even passed the road test. first time ever driving a car and i passed. i think i passed with a perfect score too.

went out that night and did some mad drifting in a parkinglot in my first car, a 4wd subaru, just like it was a console game.

ive never been at fault in an accident. had plenty of people plow into me, but ive never actually caused an accident. ive never even gotten a ticket.
 
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Most of the awful drivers I see around here are not kids.




That's what I keep thinking while reading this thread. I've known some 16 year olds that were better drivers than the average American twice their age. Okay, not a whole lot, but some
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But there's a lot of careless driving from the entire age range.
 
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My biggest gripe is that the laws don’t really address or control the real problems associated with driving. I could run every stop sign I came to and not cause an accident if I were paying attention to other cars.
Accidents do not happen when people break the law. They happen when people do something stupid. This can be caused by lack of training , prescription medicine , alcohol , low blood sugar, bad attitude or whatever. Would you rather be on the road with a teen talking on the cell phone driving 55 or Valentino Rossi going 150. Who would be breaking the law and who would be safe?



Great point!

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Kids don't read signs, such as "Left turn must yield" or "cross traffic does not stop." It's there, right in front of them, and after the inevetible "accident" their answer is "I don't know." or "I didn't see the other car."

That's because they never look. ...




Yes, and not just kids. I don't understand how people who drive a route almost every day never read the signs or note marks on the lanes. I'd expect such from out-of-town visitors, but this is everyday commuters / mall goers / etc. I've found most US roads marked better that any other country where I've tried driving, not that I've been to very many countries.

And I have driven in countries where it is hard to get a license (in time, effort, and money) but the drivers were just as bad. Maybe not quite as distracted as here, but more obnoxious to make up for that.
 
It's something they are putting in our food that is causing the aggression ...the same stuff that makes young women look better than they did when we were young
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Honestly I believe there should be a video game teaching, not racing, but GOOD driving. Parents and kids could both agree on a decent socre that would insure the keys to the parental unit's auto for an afternoon, the prom....whatever. At least they would know how to drive. IF they would do it is another question. The "game" would be really long and tedious, just like the attention span needed to drive in the RW. Conditions would change and you would need to turn on lights and wipers and stuff. Good idea?
 
I think the question isn't why don't "THEY" teach kids to drive, as it is more why don't "WE" teach kids to drive ?

If the system is failing, then make sure that your kids can drive, and drive properly.

Had a workmate yesterday bemoaning the fact that "THEY" don't have an acre paved lot, and instructors to ensure that his daughter can handle a car.

I suggested taking her to a very close to here new housing estate (less than 2 miles away), where there are hills (semi-steep), cull de sacs, marked intersections, speed bumps, rolled kerbs rather than vertical gutters...and importantly, no houses, people, cars etc. to interact with.

"But I don't want her to run into a vacant lot and damage my car."
 
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The "game" would be really long and tedious, just like the attention span needed to drive in the RW. Conditions would change and you would need to turn on lights and wipers and stuff. Good idea?


you just described half the games on the modern consoles. most have lights , some have signals. all are long and tedious. i think it took me 3 months to beat each of the 3 gran turismo games. the games like grand theft auto, need for speed, etc actually encourage you to drive responsibly during half the game because of cops. if you make an illegal turn, go too fast or burn out and a cop sees you then you have the option of pulling over for a ticket, or making a run for it.
 
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