Why do you believe in UFOs?
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Originally Posted By: whip
Explain the pyramids.
Many possible theories exist that do not involve UFOs or aliens.
Explain the pyramids.
Many possible theories exist that do not involve UFOs or aliens.
MolaKule
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Originally Posted By: TrevorS
I read that more and more planets are considered earth like so thought I would pose this question to you.
The better question would be, "Do you believe in UFO's and why?"
Your original question "leads the witness," and suggests UFO's are ALL of alien origin.
And then in another thread, which was brought up by Buster as the OP, and I am paraphrasing is, "Discovery of New Earth-like Planets suggest Life Forms could exist on these other planets."
I.E., I see these as two different lines of discussion.
I read that more and more planets are considered earth like so thought I would pose this question to you.
The better question would be, "Do you believe in UFO's and why?"
Your original question "leads the witness," and suggests UFO's are ALL of alien origin.
And then in another thread, which was brought up by Buster as the OP, and I am paraphrasing is, "Discovery of New Earth-like Planets suggest Life Forms could exist on these other planets."
I.E., I see these as two different lines of discussion.
MolaKule
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Originally Posted By: whip
Explain the pyramids.
One explanation, which I think is the most logical, is these are Large triangular structures developed by ancient man whom were very knowledgeable in mathematics and structural design, and developed these structures without any alien input.
The same can be said of the Myan structures in South America.
References for intelligent, ancient man:
Simmons, Mediterranian Island Voyages, Science 338:895-897, 2012.
Strasser, et. al, Dating Paleolithic Sites in southwest Crete, J. Quanternary Science 25(5):553-560, 2011.
Salique, et. al., Earliest evidence for cheese making in the six millenium BC in northern Europe, Nature, 493:522-525, 2013.
Explain the pyramids.
One explanation, which I think is the most logical, is these are Large triangular structures developed by ancient man whom were very knowledgeable in mathematics and structural design, and developed these structures without any alien input.
The same can be said of the Myan structures in South America.
References for intelligent, ancient man:
Simmons, Mediterranian Island Voyages, Science 338:895-897, 2012.
Strasser, et. al, Dating Paleolithic Sites in southwest Crete, J. Quanternary Science 25(5):553-560, 2011.
Salique, et. al., Earliest evidence for cheese making in the six millenium BC in northern Europe, Nature, 493:522-525, 2013.
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Fact is a number of our own Astronauts have seen such objects and clearly state that they are NOT of our own planet.
If trained, respected USAF pilots and NASA astronauts say they exist...Who am I to disagree with these professionals.
Not only that many professional commercial pilots also have admitted to seeing objects which cannot be explained, not only that these objects have been reported by the pilots AND HAVE BEEN RECORED ON RADAR AS WELL!!!!!
If trained, respected USAF pilots and NASA astronauts say they exist...Who am I to disagree with these professionals.
Not only that many professional commercial pilots also have admitted to seeing objects which cannot be explained, not only that these objects have been reported by the pilots AND HAVE BEEN RECORED ON RADAR AS WELL!!!!!
MolaKule
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Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Fact is a number of our own Astronauts have seen such objects and clearly state that they are NOT of our own planet.
Not only that many professional commercial pilots also have admitted to seeing objects which cannot be explained, not only that these objects have been reported by the pilots AND HAVE BEEN RECORED ON RADAR AS WELL!!!!!
How can they state this, as you have alleged, when we don't know what the appearance or flight characteristics of an alien spacecraft would be?
As Spock would say, "Unexplained does not equate to alien beings or alien spacecraft.
Erich von Däniken and others have pursued the theory which postulates that Earth might have been visited by extraterrestrials in the remote past. Postulates means "a thing suggested or assumed as true as the basis for reasoning, discussion, or belief."
Much discussion has ensued with no physically tested, verifiable evidence.
Fact is a number of our own Astronauts have seen such objects and clearly state that they are NOT of our own planet.
Not only that many professional commercial pilots also have admitted to seeing objects which cannot be explained, not only that these objects have been reported by the pilots AND HAVE BEEN RECORED ON RADAR AS WELL!!!!!
How can they state this, as you have alleged, when we don't know what the appearance or flight characteristics of an alien spacecraft would be?
As Spock would say, "Unexplained does not equate to alien beings or alien spacecraft.
Erich von Däniken and others have pursued the theory which postulates that Earth might have been visited by extraterrestrials in the remote past. Postulates means "a thing suggested or assumed as true as the basis for reasoning, discussion, or belief."
Much discussion has ensued with no physically tested, verifiable evidence.
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
The better question would be, "Do you believe in UFO's and why?"
Your original question "leads the witness," and suggests UFO's are ALL of alien origin.
And then in another thread, which was brought up by Buster as the OP, and I am paraphrasing is, "Discovery of New Earth-like Planets suggest Life Forms could exist on these other planets."
I.E., I see these as two different lines of discussion.
Answering your second point first, I was sloppy in my question since I used UFO in the everyday meaning of the term ie spacecraft operated by aliens.
So my question really meant do you believe UFOs are alien operated spacecraft?
I keep an open mind on this. It is entirely possible that life has evolved on other planets and technology has evolved to allow someone to visit us.
The better question would be, "Do you believe in UFO's and why?"
Your original question "leads the witness," and suggests UFO's are ALL of alien origin.
And then in another thread, which was brought up by Buster as the OP, and I am paraphrasing is, "Discovery of New Earth-like Planets suggest Life Forms could exist on these other planets."
I.E., I see these as two different lines of discussion.
Answering your second point first, I was sloppy in my question since I used UFO in the everyday meaning of the term ie spacecraft operated by aliens.
So my question really meant do you believe UFOs are alien operated spacecraft?
I keep an open mind on this. It is entirely possible that life has evolved on other planets and technology has evolved to allow someone to visit us.
I believe that there are flying things that are unidentified.
I believe that a lot, of the genuinely unidentified flying things are kept that way to suit TPTB, and most are of our origin (e.g. see the airship sightings before they were a normal part of the vernacular).
I believe in the existence of non human intelligent entities (biological or otherwise).
I believe in life on other planets.
Take the above, and apply set theory...I have a gut feeling of the presence or otherwise of unions within the above sets, but not feel for the relative size of the unions with respect to the sets.
As such, my continuum of belief ranges from the secret ops, through to the entirely demonic as all being more or less plausible than each other.
I believe that a lot, of the genuinely unidentified flying things are kept that way to suit TPTB, and most are of our origin (e.g. see the airship sightings before they were a normal part of the vernacular).
I believe in the existence of non human intelligent entities (biological or otherwise).
I believe in life on other planets.
Take the above, and apply set theory...I have a gut feeling of the presence or otherwise of unions within the above sets, but not feel for the relative size of the unions with respect to the sets.
As such, my continuum of belief ranges from the secret ops, through to the entirely demonic as all being more or less plausible than each other.
I believe there are UFO's.
Are the UFO's from another planet. I do not know.
Are the UFO's from another planet. I do not know.
All we have accomplished as of late is changing blaming/attributing the unexplained from God/angels/demons to aliens. That's not exactly helpful.
I will add that personally I think it is possible that these
UFOs are actually humanity in the distant future or distant past when we may have mastered time travel.
Could it be that humanity is tens or hundred of millions of years old?
UFOs are actually humanity in the distant future or distant past when we may have mastered time travel.
Could it be that humanity is tens or hundred of millions of years old?
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
How can they state this, as you have alleged, when we don't know what the appearance or flight characteristics of an alien spacecraft would be?
But these qualified highly trained professional military and commercial pilots DO KNOW (especially the top astronauts) what even our most advanced crafts are capable of (yes, even things that are super secret they can extrapolate from known data)
And many of those people state that there are NO known (even super secret craft) that can even come close to those flight characteristics, MANNED OR UNMANNED.
They are stunning statements coming from some of our top pilots.
HOWEVER, if somehow mankind at some point in the infinite time line has come to master quantum physics and time travel it might relate somehow. But my theory would be that it would literally take our kind tens or even hundreds of millions of years to reach that point in progress.
How can they state this, as you have alleged, when we don't know what the appearance or flight characteristics of an alien spacecraft would be?
But these qualified highly trained professional military and commercial pilots DO KNOW (especially the top astronauts) what even our most advanced crafts are capable of (yes, even things that are super secret they can extrapolate from known data)
And many of those people state that there are NO known (even super secret craft) that can even come close to those flight characteristics, MANNED OR UNMANNED.
They are stunning statements coming from some of our top pilots.
HOWEVER, if somehow mankind at some point in the infinite time line has come to master quantum physics and time travel it might relate somehow. But my theory would be that it would literally take our kind tens or even hundreds of millions of years to reach that point in progress.
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
I will add that personally I think it is possible that these UFOs are actually humanity in the distant future or distant past when we may have mastered time travel.
Of course it's possible, and I love all the theories and stories, whether it be aliens, paranormal, or time travellers. I like science fiction, so wild theories couched as science are interesting. Unfortunately for the "theorists" though, I do know that difference.
In reality, all we have is a bunch of hogwash. It's speculation and not even scientifically testable at this time. The most unfortunate thing is that the simplest explanation is the most likely one. Difficulties in identifying natural or man made phenomena are almost always the explanation. Of course, it's not as exciting as the alternatives, but the truth is mundane.
I also find it ironic how people will immediately and unquestioningly believe an astronaut's story (aside from those kooks who get punched out by those who set foot on the moon), yet immediately dismiss any explanation from a military press officer. Both are military officers who obey orders and have sworn the same oaths. Both had interest in protecting defence secrets from the general public and the Soviets.
I will add that personally I think it is possible that these UFOs are actually humanity in the distant future or distant past when we may have mastered time travel.
Of course it's possible, and I love all the theories and stories, whether it be aliens, paranormal, or time travellers. I like science fiction, so wild theories couched as science are interesting. Unfortunately for the "theorists" though, I do know that difference.
In reality, all we have is a bunch of hogwash. It's speculation and not even scientifically testable at this time. The most unfortunate thing is that the simplest explanation is the most likely one. Difficulties in identifying natural or man made phenomena are almost always the explanation. Of course, it's not as exciting as the alternatives, but the truth is mundane.
I also find it ironic how people will immediately and unquestioningly believe an astronaut's story (aside from those kooks who get punched out by those who set foot on the moon), yet immediately dismiss any explanation from a military press officer. Both are military officers who obey orders and have sworn the same oaths. Both had interest in protecting defence secrets from the general public and the Soviets.
I think this video applies:
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Published on Nov 16, 2013
Weird news is its own niche on the web and in print. The more sensational the story, the more eyeballs it gets. Topics include Bigfoot and UFO sightings, hauntings, exorcism, witchcraft, mysteries, miracles, psychic predictions and conspiracies. We are barraged with claims that are seriously questionable. While entertaining, many people actually believe this stuff. This is a fun tour through weird and wonderful news stories and an examination of how we think about doubtful news and the impact it has on society.
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I like the fact that some folks are shilling here, because in general when they come out and start mocking anyone that doesn't buy into the "official edict" on an issue it tells me that there IS
a good likelihood there is substance to it.
Psychological warfare is REAL too.
Not to mention that because of mankind's limited knowledge of many scientific areas including quantum physics, it makes it impossible to prove things that are in fact a reality.
Just because our science can't prove it doesn't mean it is not true or a reality.
a good likelihood there is substance to it.
Psychological warfare is REAL too.
Not to mention that because of mankind's limited knowledge of many scientific areas including quantum physics, it makes it impossible to prove things that are in fact a reality.
Just because our science can't prove it doesn't mean it is not true or a reality.
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Totally agree, but just because we can't prove it doesn't make it true either. I at least want some more tangible evidence. Considering everything is caught on camera these days, space ships, Sasquatches, ghosts etc shouldn't have a chance.
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Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Not to mention that because of mankind's limited knowledge of many scientific areas including quantum physics, it makes it impossible to prove things that are in fact a reality.
Then science advances as time passes. It's not an excuse to claim hypothetical and fanciful as fact. That kind of nonsense has caused humanity no end of harm throughout its existence.
Originally Posted By: refaller
Totally agree, but just because we can't prove it doesn't make it true either. I at least want some more tangible evidence. Considering everything is caught on camera these days, space ships, Sasquatches, ghosts etc shouldn't have a chance.
That's exactly it. We can't go a day without images of a car bombing, a rogue cop beating a suspect/a suspect doing something totally off the wall, or a mayor smoking crack cocaine. You almost have to get a camera as part of a cell phone if you buy one, and just about everyone has one these days. Yet, every UFO or paranormal or cryptozoological footage is a "close encounter of the blurred kind."
Not to mention that because of mankind's limited knowledge of many scientific areas including quantum physics, it makes it impossible to prove things that are in fact a reality.
Then science advances as time passes. It's not an excuse to claim hypothetical and fanciful as fact. That kind of nonsense has caused humanity no end of harm throughout its existence.
Originally Posted By: refaller
Totally agree, but just because we can't prove it doesn't make it true either. I at least want some more tangible evidence. Considering everything is caught on camera these days, space ships, Sasquatches, ghosts etc shouldn't have a chance.
That's exactly it. We can't go a day without images of a car bombing, a rogue cop beating a suspect/a suspect doing something totally off the wall, or a mayor smoking crack cocaine. You almost have to get a camera as part of a cell phone if you buy one, and just about everyone has one these days. Yet, every UFO or paranormal or cryptozoological footage is a "close encounter of the blurred kind."
MolaKule
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Antiqueshell: But these qualified highly trained professional military and commercial pilots DO KNOW (especially the top astronauts) what even our most advanced crafts are capable of (yes, even things that are super secret they can extrapolate from known data)
And many of those people state that there are NO known (even super secret craft) that can even come close to those flight characteristics, MANNED OR UNMANNED.
They are stunning statements coming from some of our top pilots.
HOWEVER, if somehow mankind at some point in the infinite time line has come to master quantum physics and time travel it might relate somehow.
First, if these craft are supersecret, they will not know what they are, nor would they be able to make any public statement about these craft.
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doodfood: What part of USAF or NASA training involves recognizing alien spacecraft?
Right, this question has not been answered.
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Antiqueshell: HOWEVER, if somehow mankind at some point in the infinite time line has come to master quantum physics and time travel it might relate somehow.
How does quantum physics relate to time travel?
Antiqueshell: But these qualified highly trained professional military and commercial pilots DO KNOW (especially the top astronauts) what even our most advanced crafts are capable of (yes, even things that are super secret they can extrapolate from known data)
And many of those people state that there are NO known (even super secret craft) that can even come close to those flight characteristics, MANNED OR UNMANNED.
They are stunning statements coming from some of our top pilots.
HOWEVER, if somehow mankind at some point in the infinite time line has come to master quantum physics and time travel it might relate somehow.
First, if these craft are supersecret, they will not know what they are, nor would they be able to make any public statement about these craft.
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doodfood: What part of USAF or NASA training involves recognizing alien spacecraft?
Right, this question has not been answered.
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Antiqueshell: HOWEVER, if somehow mankind at some point in the infinite time line has come to master quantum physics and time travel it might relate somehow.
How does quantum physics relate to time travel?
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