Why do you believe in UFOs?

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
Good reply Clevy. And you are right when you say we have to wait for the closed minds to be gone before any progress can be made.

Who are the ones with closed minds again??? I hope the irony in your statement isn't lost on anyone with an open mind.

That sounds like something from a cult.

Have you done enough research to uncover the fact that the godfather of modern conspiracy theory and much of UFOLOGY, William Cooper, thought the entire UFOlogy movement since inception is nothing but a government cointel?

 

[TrevorS]

^^^^^

"Anybody not aware of that evidence obviously is not interested and not really trying to find anything out."

 

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: TrevorS
Originally Posted By: Mystic
One thing I do know however is that there is a lot of evidence that there are strange things going on. Anybody not aware of that evidence obviously is not interested and not really trying to find anything out. If alien spacecraft really exist and some country person brings a piece of a spacecraft in some day, it will be very funny that the scientists were the last to know AGAIN!


Care to share the most compelling evidence you know about?

I think that's your best shot at creating believers rather than being fatalistic about non believers.


This isn't evidence that UFOs are of alien origin, but this is the best UFO case in the historical record IMO. The captain of that flight, with over 30 years of experience, essentially sacrificed his job by sticking with his story and going public.

 

[TrevorS]

With so many video recording devices, it's perhaps only a matter of time until one of the hundreds of passengers on one of the thousands of planes in the air at any one time, manages to record one of these objects bigger than an aircraft carrier which tracked the plane for several minutes.

 

[refaller]

That's probably what the Sasquatch hunters thought too. Still no hard evidence. I have no problems one direction or the other. I simply want more than eyewitness accounts of ambiguous things. I also doubt in the generosity of the superior beings to allow us to exist in some sort of Star Trek prime directive. Let's face it, if we could, we would enslave another world. After all, they are not human has worked in the past.

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[surfstar]

Statistically it is 100% likely that life exists on another planet. There's just too much stuff out there for it not to have happened more than once.

Now, UFOs - that's a whole different subject.

And to think about where we are at on the timeline in the development of species on this planet - a tiny, tiny, tiny slice of Earth-time is occupied by humans - and to have another nearby planet exist in this same state of development at this same time - that's where the #s get pretty small.

 

[TrevorS]

The level of advancement required to travel to Earth would hopefully mean that any aliens are way beyond needing to enslave us.

 

[Mystic]

Drew99GT that JAL Flight 1628 UFO Incident is just one of the very excellent reports contained in the book, 'UFOs,' by Leslie Kean. Another excellent book is 'UFOs, myths, conspiracies, and realities' by John B. Alexander, PhD. Those two books contain some of the best evidence ever obtained and neither of those books is written by some kind of nut case.

Anybody who really wants to know anything about UFO evidence could probably find those two books at a local library plus both of those books can be found at or ordered at a local Barnes & Noble Store. They are both inexpensive.

If somebody does not have enough ambition or enough interest in the subject of UFOs to go to a local library to find those two books I don't care. It just proves the person is not really interested. I am not going to waste my time trying to convince somebody who thinks they know it all that there might be something worth some field research. And that is not aimed at you but at the know it all characters who sit in some office and quote some scientist who does not believe in UFOs. The only way to actually find anything out would be for scientists with equipment to do field research when UFO incidents break out.

I have seen some strange stuff myself. And I have actually done field research when it comes to ghost stories. I took part in an investigation in a building with a team that had a considerable amount of equipment. A strange shadow was observed on the cameras in the basement when nobody was in the basement. A shadow that seemed to walk across the camera view. I was there, and I saw other evidence they had obtained and I talked extensively to one of the witnesses. So I have actually been involved in field research myself. Not on UFOs but ghost reports.

If I can do field research others should be able to do it. Or at least read two books I have suggested.

 

[JetStar]

I'd like to believe. Been fllowing UFO phenomenon and watching the skies since the 70's when I was a kid. I'd really like to see something I couldn't explain.

 

[Warstud]

Yes I believe. My first sighting were two of the Cigar shaped ones flying over head about 100 feet up. Second were those acorn type that were above the house numerous times and actually seen one following an airliner once. And third was a regular saucer type I saw fly over the neighbors house. All daylight sightings. I know what I saw. Aliens?

 

[EA82]

As many people have mentioned before we know very little about the universe, although I haven't personally seen anything to convince that UFOs or Alien life exists, it would be selfish to think that humans are the only intelligent beings in the universe.

 

[renegade_987]

Originally Posted By: eljefino
I believe in both UFOs and ghosts/paranormal/afterlife. However I give it very little thought, don't let it own me, and figure "they" will force or explain the issue when the time comes.

I've seen convincing, to me, evidence of both UFOs (oddly moving lights up Midcoast Maine) and poltergeists. I have no need to proselytize my views upon others and don't try.



+1000000

People think I'm crazy for beveling life outside of earth, and even crazier when it comes to ghosts, but I've seen enough in my life to convince me that there's more then just us working here. And no, I'm not crazy, just reporting what I've seen.

 

[MolaKule]

Originally Posted By: TrevorS
The level of advancement required to travel to Earth would hopefully mean that any aliens are way beyond needing to enslave us.


Don't bet on it.

While science fiction, have you considered the result of something like the character in the movie Predator, or Independance Day?

As I have stated before, I believe many Unidentified Observed Objects can be explained by physics, such as being of plasmonic origin or of optical phenomena such as refraction.

 

[d00df00d]

IMO, the most interesting thing about this whole discussion is how many people don't understand how saying "UFOs exist, and aliens probably exist" is any different from saying "UFOs are probably aliens."

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Originally Posted By: TrevorS
The level of advancement required to travel to Earth would hopefully mean that any aliens are way beyond needing to enslave us.


Don't bet on it.

While science fiction, have you considered the result of something like the character in the movie Predator, or Independance Day?

It's slightly generous to call Predator science fiction. It's EXTREMELY generous to use the word "science" anywhere near Independence Day...

Part of being human is having a built-in fear of other intelligent minds. It's instinct, not reason. When we ask what aliens might do to us if they find us, the only honest answer is that there's no way to know, good or bad.

 

[renegade_987]

I want to elaborate a little on what I said; of course UFO's technically exist; any object in the sky that cannot be positively identified is a UFO. Now, do I believe in UFO's as far as crafts from other planets, or strange, unidentifiable lights moving in strange patterns through the sky that is obviously not a plane, or something we've seen before? Yes, I do. I've seen things in the sky that I cannot explain, and they sure as **** were not planes. Anyone remember the Phoenix Lights in March of 1997? Another great case of UFO footage, probably one of the most convincing videos I've seen. I actually lived in Arizona during this event (Moved here in 2009) but unfortunately I didn't get to see it in person. Life in other galaxies, universes, etc. is about 99.9% fact. I don't believe for 1 minute that we are alone. As far as ghosts go, we should start another thread on that. A few places I lived in Arizona had some events occur that had my parents and I scratching our heads, from chairs flying around and falling down to doors slamming repeatedly. If we choose to discuss it sometime I'll elaborate farther.(On the ghost stuff)

 

[Trajan]

Alien existence would explain Dennis Rodman though.

 

[eljefino]

My thing with ghosts and UFOs is I'm never super-prepared to document them when they appear, once every few years. My cell phone camera only does 640x480 stills, for example.

The one thing I have going is credible witnesses. I explained my "midcoast UFO" sighting to my wife then luckily saw them last summer. Her response: "That's nice, dear".

As for the poltergeists, my comrades were more "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH".

 

[KenO]

I beleive in UFO's and 'aliens' for a couple reasons. 1, both grandparents swear up & down that they saw one on the way home from their wedding day. 2, my great uncle retired from the US Army as a Lt. Colonel. Anytime anything regarding UFO's were mentioned, he would simply stop talking - about anything - until the subject had clearly changed. I think he knew something >_>

 

[SwampSurvivor]

I have had a few strange things happen at my parents house. Seems random blinding lights in the middle of the night are what I have seen.

My father and I were coming back from Black Friday one morning (dropping my mother off for work) and there were a series of bright lights in the sky. They were blinking in 2-3 second intervals. At the time, there was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING where we saw the lights.

That was 7 or so years ago. About 3 years ago they put up some windmills.