Who's Looking Forward to the Release of the 2022 Subaru WRX?

[Skippy722]

Every single manual transmission vehicle on the market today has rev hang and how much is debatable. The same posts can be found about the Civic Si, Civic Type R, Genesis, Camaro, Mustang, etc.. Type in "Porsche GT4 Spyder Rev Hang" and you'll get the same results.

Like I said, get off the gas fully before clutching in or drive with the AC on, they'll fall too fast for you then.

STI doesn't have this problem because it's a 15 year old design using drive-by-cable.

Lastly, synchros are a thing. Don't "encourage" it to pop in faster than it wants.

The car is fine. The hyper aggressive throttle input is a bigger problem than the rev hang.

STI’s went to drive by wire in 2004. WRX’s are also DBW since 2006.

 

[AZjeff]

Got me curious, so i looked it up, $328.48 a month. I put zero down at the dealer, so this was for the car itself and their doc fee. Out the door but not taxed/plated. I paid that in cash when i got it back to utah. They even gave people 90 days payment grace period, so it appears as a 75 month 0% loan. it would be an epic discount today, but wasn't amazing for a 2019 VW in 2020. A full price WRX hasn't really gone up much in price compared to the sweet deals of yesteryear.

Did you buy your Golf at the end of VW's period of trying to regain trust after the little diesel misunderstanding?

 

[Ws6]

I daily drive a manual fully loaded 2019 WRX that I purchased brand new. 26 lifetime MPG in mixed driving (I frequently redline it). Have 25,000 miles on the ODO. I do all the maintenance on it myself as everything is simple to do and get to. Change the oil every 3,500 miles. Zero problems so far, car finally feels broken-in, and like it is built to last. Only fill up with 91 or better. Front end has lots of tiny stone chips (paint seems a little thin).

It's a tricky vehicle to drive until you learn it. Almost all of the rev hang is solved by letting go of the gas completely first, clutching in, waiting for the synchro to suck in the shift (not forcing it in), and smoothly letting out the clutch. I can shift it smooth every single time. If you clutch in while still on the gas it will hang. It's a mechanical vehicle and not a video game, so don't drive it like one. If you want that get a car with paddle shifters.

It's very quick from a dig but you have to abuse it to get that which I'm not willing to do because drag racing doesn't interest me. It has plenty of pep for the streets and more than enough to put you in jail.

The stock tune is crappy, yes, but it's built for safety. You'll never blow up anything with it. It and the hyper aggressive throttle input are the only things I dislike about my WRX.

Plenty of space (check out the trunk), and rear passengers have enough legroom, great in all weather as long as you have proper tires on it, and fun to drive.

It holds its resale value extremely well, and is cheaper to insure than comparable vehicles when I shopped around. The top safety rating on it is nothing to scoff at either.

I think a turbo, flat-four, manual, real AWD vehicle for ~$30K brand new is a bargain. Is it a perfect vehicle? No, but if you're striving for perfection you're going to be spending single-dwelling home cost money.

I'm happy to deal with the EPA tune if it means I can still purchase such a vehicle.

Lastly, the gearing isn't Porsche 718 terrible but I do wish it was geared more like an STI where 2nd didn't take you to 60mph. 0-60 is a stupid arbitrary figure.

That's the point. 26mpg is horrible in 2021 for a

Maybe the STI is but I think the WRX has plenty at 268hp. They should just focus on drive-ability refinement. Still, they'll probably make the new one closer to 300hp and the STI closer to 400hp. I say that mainly looking at the new BRZ numbers.

People focus way too much on peak power output when that's not what makes a great car. Remember, the legendary Miata is the best selling sports car of all time, and for good reason.

The wrx is about as fast as a compact suv, and slower than most 4 cylinder family cars. Yet it guzzles gas and is unrefined in all the ways. Its just a big "why?" at this point.

 

[OppositeLocK]

That's the point. 26mpg is horrible in 2021 for a
The wrx is about as fast as a compact suv, and slower than most 4 cylinder family cars. Yet it guzzles gas and is unrefined in all the ways. Its just a big "why?" at this point.

One is rated 0-60 in 8.3s, the other in 5.2s.
The average buyer of a WRX does not have fuel economy as a primary concern, I sure don't. If I wanted that I would get a hybrid Corolla or Prius.

That being said, straight line speed is such a rube metric it's not even worth arguing about. An F150 beats a BRZ 0-60 and so what? Is an F150 a sports car?

Nobody cross shops vehicles like a GTI, Golf R, WRX, Civic Type R, BRZ, GT86, Genesis, STI, etc., with raised wagons or CUVs.

Subaru sells WRXs and STIs faster than it can make them.

 

[Ws6]

One is rated 0-60 in 8.3s, the other in 5.2s.
The average buyer of a WRX does not have fuel economy as a primary concern, I sure don't. If I wanted that I would get a hybrid Corolla or Prius.

That being said, straight line speed is such a rube metric it's not even worth arguing about. An F150 beats a BRZ 0-60 and so what? Is an F150 a sports car?

Nobody cross shops vehicles like a GTI, Golf R, WRX, Civic Type R, BRZ, GT86, Genesis, STI, etc., with raised wagons or CUVs.

Subaru sells WRXs and STIs faster than it can make them.

Lol, "rated at". My point is that my cx5 has been tested to as low as 5.8 0-60, and the wrx to as slow as over 6 seconds 0-60 if we look at car and driver, and motortrend. Its totally at entry level CUV acceleration levels. Slower than base mustang and camaro offerings. It needs a real powerplant. Even a honda accord 2.0 will beat it for acceleration. The wrx audience is...who, exactly? I think people just buy them for emotional reasons.

 

[dareo]

Did you buy your Golf at the end of VW's period of trying to regain trust after the little diesel misunderstanding?

Yes, my 2016 sportwagen 5 speed came with a $2,000 existing TDI owner incentive. It was nice but i wanted to invest the money from that car, so i sold it around April 2020, (for too little, in hindsight) put the cash into Delta stock before i even left the bank, and proceeded to look for a "fun car". After nearly buying a Camaro LT1 (price negotiation issues) i decided to fly to Denver and buy (with VW's money) one of the last Alltracks left in new condition. It's been the perfect daily beater car and fantastic in the winter (nearly instant heat, AWD helps too). I can put power to the ground in the Alltrack as well as fit whatever random stuff in there i need.

 

[dareo]

One is rated 0-60 in 8.3s, the other in 5.2s.
The average buyer of a WRX does not have fuel economy as a primary concern, I sure don't. If I wanted that I would get a hybrid Corolla or Prius.

That being said, straight line speed is such a rube metric it's not even worth arguing about. An F150 beats a BRZ 0-60 and so what? Is an F150 a sports car?

Nobody cross shops vehicles like a GTI, Golf R, WRX, Civic Type R, BRZ, GT86, Genesis, STI, etc., with raised wagons or CUVs.

Subaru sells WRXs and STIs faster than it can make them.

I cross shopped the Golf R, WRX, GT86, Camaro LT1. Golf R was a lot more money than the Alltrack+tune while offering less cargo. Type R is not my style in terms of looks, FWD only, and hard to find for sale. GT86=no torque no thanks. WRX was nice and i'm sure the 2.4 liter version will be even better. I also nearly purchased a Camaro LT1, a monster of a car in nearly the same price range. I briefly considered the Jaguar XF wagon, they had a huge discount on them at the time, but it was still far more than i really needed to put around town in.

Vehicles are blurred now, a hatchback, a wagon and a CUV are not dramatically different most of them can have turbos and AWD.

 

[OppositeLocK]

Lol, "rated at". My point is that my cx5 has been tested to as low as 5.8 0-60, and the wrx to as slow as over 6 seconds 0-60 if we look at car and driver, and motortrend. Its totally at entry level CUV acceleration levels. Slower than base mustang and camaro offerings. It needs a real powerplant. Even a honda accord 2.0 will beat it for acceleration. The wrx audience is...who, exactly? I think people just buy them for emotional reasons.

I listed all the reasons I bought mine and all you bring up is acceleration.

I don't know why anyone would buy a Corvette C8, Camaro ZL1, or even any Porsche when a Tesla Model 3 Performance will embarrass them all in acceleration tests while costing far less. The audience is...who, exactly?

 

[OppositeLocK]

I cross shopped the Golf R, WRX, GT86, Camaro LT1. Golf R was a lot more money than the Alltrack+tune while offering less cargo. Type R is not my style in terms of looks, FWD only, and hard to find for sale. GT86=no torque no thanks. WRX was nice and i'm sure the 2.4 liter version will be even better. I also nearly purchased a Camaro LT1, a monster of a car in nearly the same price range. I briefly considered the Jaguar XF wagon, they had a huge discount on them at the time, but it was still far more than i really needed to put around town in.

Vehicles are blurred now, a hatchback, a wagon and a CUV are not dramatically different most of them can have turbos and AWD.

Physics says they'll never handle as well as a coupe or sedan. The driving mechanics are completely different. That's the key point. I agree they've come a long way, but purists will never opt for a CUV or wagon unless they don't have a choice. It will never drive the same way as a dedicated sports sedan or coupe.

 

[dareo]

I listed all the reasons I bought mine and all you bring up is acceleration.

I don't know why anyone would buy a Corvette C8, Camaro ZL1, or even any Porsche when a Tesla Model 3 Performance will embarrass them all in acceleration tests while costing far less.

This is true, so many cars get eaten by a Tesla. Electrics are really fast, but how many times are you really gonna value that sling shot electric thrust if you upgraded to the Model S Plaid for 130k over your previous model $69,420 dollar model S? 99% of the time your just driving to work, costco, the mall, ect. Your not using the nine second quarter mile. You would get a thrill out of the power a few times then it would just be normal. Or you would end up in jail.

Going fast in a gas vehicle has more of an experience.

 

[OppositeLocK]

This is true, so many cars get eaten by a Tesla. Electrics are really fast, but how many times are you really gonna value that sling shot electric thrust if you upgraded to the Model S Plaid for 130k over your previous model $69,420 dollar model S? 99% of the time your just driving to work, costco, the mall, ect. Your not using the nine second quarter mile. You would get a thrill out of the power a few times then it would just be normal. Or you would end up in jail.

Going fast in a gas vehicle has more of an experience.

That's the thing. Driving to me is about that mechanical connection to the vehicle and road, and how it all comes together. When everything is all electric it'll be a sad day. No sound, no input by the driver, and no skill necessary.

It's also why the Miata has only grown in popularity. Purist vehicles are growing scarcer every day.

 

[dareo]

Physics says they'll never handle as well as a coupe or sedan. The driving mechanics are completely different. That's the key point. I agree they've come a long way, but purists will never opt for a CUV or wagon unless they don't have a choice. It will never drive the same way as a dedicated sports sedan or coupe.

I would consider myself an automotive enthusiast and i've opted for multiple wagons. A 2001 BMW 540I wagon, was quite fast and comfy but it was super high maintenance. I've owned pure sports cars with modifications like 240sx, 1986 Corolla GTS, MR2, ect. You can tell a difference driving all out but in day to day driving? Not enough to matter to me personally.

The Golf wagon vs regular golf is nearly the same weight just adds a lot more room with virtually no drawback. The Alltrack wagon (and 4 motion golf wagon) unlocks the wonderful DSG gearbox along with the AWD. You can't get that in the regular golf or the GTI, only the discontinued wagon or the high priced Golf R.

Can you compare any golf to an S2000 or Miata type car? No. Would an E63 AMG wagon drive about the same as the E63 sedan? I would think so.

A pure sports car is going to whoop a WRX too.

I'm always open to buying/trying the next thing but for a daily machine the Alltrack is just right for me because it has enough sport, mixed with great comfort and utility. Not saying i won't add a dedicated toy sports car someday but i will likely keep the Alltrack, perhaps to make a dedicated winter car out of it.

 

[Ws6]

I listed all the reasons I bought mine and all you bring up is acceleration.

I don't know why anyone would buy a Corvette C8, Camaro ZL1, or even any Porsche when a Tesla Model 3 Performance will embarrass them all in acceleration tests while costing far less. The audience is...who, exactly?

Because your reasons were "its cheap to insure and peppy enough and has a horrible tune, takes time to learn to drive, gets poor mpg that you tolerate and has thin paint". It was a horrible sales pitch, lol, so I focused on the one good thing you said, which is that it was "peppy".

 

[OppositeLocK]

A WRX will easily keep up with a pure sports car in its price range. Everything else you've said is your personal preference. We can reframe the argument any which way, it doesn't change the fact that for what it costs, the WRX is a great sports sedan.

 

[dareo]

A WRX will easily keep up with a pure sports car in its price range. Everything else you've said is your personal preference. We can reframe the argument any which way, it doesn't change the fact that for what it costs, the WRX is a great sports sedan.

No argument of it being a great car especially for the price, and even more so in 2021. There are not many pure sports cars for $30k. You could do a mustang ecoboost or 4 cylinder camaro turbo but why have a non-V8 pony car at any price?

If there was no chip shortage you could get into a Camaro LT1 for the low 30s but you can't get one now.

I'm just explaining why the WRX was 2nd place for me personally.

 

[Ws6]

A WRX will easily keep up with a pure sports car in its price range. Everything else you've said is your personal preference. We can reframe the argument any which way, it doesn't change the fact that for what it costs, the WRX is a great sports sedan.

In what way?

 

[NitroM3]

The 268hp WRX 0-60mph times are slower then my PT Cruiser. haha!

 

[OppositeLocK]

Because your reasons were "its cheap to insure and peppy enough and has a horrible tune, takes time to learn to drive, gets poor mpg that you tolerate and has thin paint". It was a horrible sales pitch, lol, so I focused on the one good thing you said, which is that it was "peppy".

Funny how you left out top safety rating, easy to maintain, fun to drive, plenty of space, and feels like it's built to last. I listed the cons as well. Maybe I should lie to myself like you.

1 mpg less than your CUV. Whoop-dee-do. Every WRX thread you come in and try to discredit it.

 

[Ws6]

Funny how you left out top safety rating, easy to maintain, fun to drive, plenty of space, and feels like it's built to last. I listed the cons as well. Maybe I should lie to myself like you.

1 mpg less than your CUV. Whoop-dee-do. Every WRX thread you come in and try to discredit it.

Pretty much everything is safe nowadays.
Fun to drive is personal.
What car under 40k is hard to maintain?
I disagree on "feels built to last". They feel typical of their price point to me. Can you be specific?

 

[NitroM3]

Oh and just so someone does not think I am a WRX disliker, I simply have not met a WRX that all but 2 of my current vehicles cant out preform in all aspects on the street. I do like them, in fact here is my latest Safeway dive in the box to find collector I got just last week.
Would I ever own one, probably not but I think they are by far"kool" looking and that sound is as "KOOL" and distinctive like the whine of my MINI's Supercharger.