I was there years ago.
What's everyone's favorite 0w-20 these days?
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Like I said that’s a good one and your stories are getting better and better. What’s the problem?
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Nothing lol
I've been a long term fan of M1 EP. My daily driver is currently at 16k miles and 21 months on a fill of 0w-20 M1 EP. I am experimenting with HPL Premium Plus for now. 0w-30 in the 2016 Honda Accord 2.4 liter and 0w-20 in the 2017 Prius V. More 0w-20 is on deck for my daily driver Ford C-Max Energi PHEV. 0w-16 is on deck for the 2023 Prius.
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I'm still using up the clearance $9 per 5 quart jug of Edge EP 0w20. When I'm done with that, it's QS Advanced Durability that I got for $11 per 5 quart jug.
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Glenda, I’m not arguing with your take on this, but I’d say their wording may imply that, but in reality I don’t think it does. “Reduce buildup” is intended to imply potential cleaning, but thanks to years of deciphering weasel-speak at work, what I think the actual meaning is, “reduce the rate of buildup” meaning it’s still going to get dirty, just not as fast. Those are two completely different things even though they can both be said in the same way without either being an untruth on its face. I obviously don’t know if my take on this is correct, but absent explicit wording I’m lead to believe their intent is the former phrasing but in actuality it’s the latter reality.
Can’t hurt to try, though, as ESP is a proven good oil.
Let’s not get carried away drawing specious comparisons.
Every super high mile vehicle you read about generally would accomplish that on almost any oil of almost any viscosity with any reasonable OCI. The duty cycle of these super high mile vehicles is absolutely the lowest wear, cleanest operating condition you will ever find. There is simply nothing kinder to an engine than steady highway miles at an average load of 30% with consistent oil temperature and coolant temperatures.
if you look at ultra high mileage vehicles— diesel and gas alike— you’ll find they shared a common usage of set-the-cruise-and-forget as the predominant mode of operation. Steady light load with consistent oil temperatures is magic for longevity.
I remember when a Cummins customer told me their shipboard shore-power generator had over 57,000 hours on it and was still going strong (it was a 5.9L). Why? Because it sat there at 1500rpm at a light 30% load or so just constantly running for weeks at a time. Instead of starts per hour, it had not hours per start, but days to weeks per start. And importantly, that long operation was lightly loaded— it was NOT idling. Extended idling is terrible for engines.
57,000 hours on a parent bore engine. We’d expect a linered engine to be rebuilt twice by then. Just amazing what the ideal duty cycle can do.
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I don’t really have one but I’ve been rotating through schaeffers, hpl, torco and HPS which is 5w. They all seem to do the same thing which is lubricate my engine. I also have 4 jugs of pennzoil synthetic (just syn) and not platinum or ultra. I’ll run the cheaper stuff for low mileage winter changes. No need wasting the good stuff for 3-4K in an engine that’s going to idle more than usual and really won’t see roadtrips. Minus the occasional trip to northern Michigan to go skiing. I’d say pick any oil on the shelf now days and you’d be fine.
Currently running HPL Premium PCO 0W-20 in my wife's '24 Mazda CX-90 and posted the UOA a week or so ago. Current fill is the same which I'll run out and test afterwards to 7500 miles just to see how it looks. As this vehicle is not long for the world in our household I think I'll switch over to M1 ESP 0W-20 and see how it looks compared to HPL. My limited knowledge leads me to think that ESP and a few others in the same viscosity with the MB 229.71 approval are the ones to go with outside of a boutique.
Normally I would go with the Mobil 1 ESP 0W20 but since Pennzoil currently has the rebate for $30 for buying two five gallon jugs of PUP that is what I will be going with. Mobil needs to get back to offering worthwhile promotions, rebates in particular, and I'll go back to using their products.
Because it is different. A hybrid will spin the ice up to speed before it fires it. Could be spinning 2200 rpm for example before it gets fuel and spark (this has the engine firing with good oil pressure as well)during this time a motor generator is propelling the vehicle and the ice takes over the load or charges it with the. MG with the vehicle having momentum. Conventional start stop stops at idle and fires back up again using the starter and low rpm startup where the combustion speeds the engine up to accelerate when the driver is demanding the vehicle accelerate from a light from a stand atill for example, Not the same
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Can they not put a small battery there dedicated to just that job of spinning the ICE? That way they could make stop/start that won't hurt the motor.
Thanks for sharing the science. A very neat technology from Toyota
I have not researched if any are doing this but a system like the mg between the transmission and motor belhousing on upper end Toyota trucks may be able to do this, or may already. I just haven’t looked into it. However, many of the non hybrid stop starts rely on a beefed up starter and eco programming to optimize quick start up so power can be applied by the ice. I have noticed they have improved in drivability from some rentals.
@OVERKILL ’s bespoke blend of HPL SuperCar 0w20 will quite possibly spend its entire life into antiquity as being the most robust “watery” oil ever created for public consumption.
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Toyota has two kinds of hybrids, one is purely for power and emissions and one is for fuel economy like in my Sienna. My Sienna engine shuts off at speeds like 75 mph on the highway when I lift my foot off the gas. I cannot believe that new Tacoma hybrid would do that. That hybrid system is different. This is a question that I need to ask next time I see a Tacoma hybrid on the road
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FYI, M1 is offering $5 back (2 jug max) and Walmart is offering an extra $4 wallyworld bucks/jug. Will bring your jug cost to ~19$.
Bought some PUP after reading the lakespeed thread but have a stash of castrol EP 229.71. Hindsight I could have went with ESP.
PUP maybe a better oil in many cases, it flows / pumps nice and quick, Castrol, ep is a real decent oil also, my brother-in-law likes the results of this oil in his car,.
You think Joe Average is going to know the answer to your decoupling question, and discuss the merits of the system with you, while going down the road at 75mph?
