What round is best for self defense in a micro compact 9mm?

And if a court of law determines the shooting was not justifiable, you are better off not killing someone. So many people think their lives are in danger requiring someone to be shot, when in fact they are not.

I live in a place with no police. I do keep a loaded firearm in the house if i should need it. But in most cases, someone can be made to go away without shooting them. And if you should have to shoot them, you will be entangled in the criminal law system. And if you find yourself there, you will be in better shape if you did not kill the person who you thought was a threat.
 
If you choose a round that just injures someone, you may go to prison for 10 years. If you choose a round that actually kills someone, you can probably at least double that.

A person who has been shot by any kind or weight of bullet will likely no longer be a threat to you. Why do you want to kill them?
Bullets are lethal, period.

Any projectile in the right location at the right depth in the human body can kill. The problem is locations that cause the greatest chance of incapacitating are also vital structures. But make no mistake while someone is slowing dying they can still kill you back. That is why incapacitation is the goal. Death is merely incidental.
 
I would choose a name-brand defense round that is readily available in your area. Then, of course, test it thoroughly in your gun.
 
And if a court of law determines the shooting was not justifiable, you are better off not killing someone. So many people think their lives are in danger requiring someone to be shot, when in fact they are not.

I live in a place with no police. I do keep a loaded firearm in the house if i should need it. But in most cases, someone can be made to go away without shooting them. And if you should have to shoot them, you will be entangled in the criminal law system. And if you find yourself there, you will be in better shape if you did not kill the person who you thought was a threat.
Owning a weapon for self defense does not mean you want to kill anybody....it means you want to protect yourself and your family. I have trained in firearm use at Quantico Va., the NYPD Police Academy and at Fort Smith NY as a NYC Fire Marshal and consider myself proficient in their use although not an expert by any means. With that training in my background (many years ago) I didn't feel the need to have a weapon until recently due to the current state of affairs in America.

Your last few sentences say it all....."no police"..."being entangled in the criminal law system"...."being in better shape if you did not kill the person".....for those and other reasons I rarely carry the pistol that I own but keep it at home for home defense. The 'other reasons' are that where I would need a pistol most...when I go into NYC....I'm restricted from carrying despite having a carry permit.
The sad thing is that when gang bangers are caught with illegal weapons in NYC they are back on the street the next day (as told to me by several LEOs)...it's only the people they can make examples of and who have the finances to pay big fines that pay any kind of price for carrying a weapon....sadly.
It's actually come to the point that shooting somebody who breaks into your house could land you in legal trouble....again ...sadly.
 
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even though these are HST , i would expect gold dots to perform the same



 
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Speer makes excellent SD rounds.

https://www.speer.com/ammunition/gold-dot/?prefn1=caliber&prefv1=9mm Luger

The differences between each load is minor. Any one of them would be great. If your gun is rated for it, the +P would be a good choice as well.

My agency issues the Federal 124g which are basically this round

https://www.federalpremium.com/handgun/personal-defense-hst/11-P9HST1S.html

Can't go wrong with that, either.

Just makes sure and put a few magazines through your gun, with your magazines, and this ammo, to verify compatibility.
+1

HST and Gold Dot have basically been the gold standard for years.
 
I am thankful I have never needed my gun for self defense and hope I never will. Nevertheless, I carry a FN Reflex MRD with red dot optic. This has a 3” barrel. I am sure there are any number of excellent SD rounds. I use 124gr Speer Gold Dots. I practice regularly with 124gr Speer Lawman and have fired over 100 rounds of the Gold Dots to ensure 100% (if there is such a thing) reliability. I feel no need to try other SD ammo.

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From what i know use whatever law enforcement uses.
That's advice I've read as well. Call your local PD and ask them what ammo they use. If it's acceptable for them to use, it's acceptable for regular citizens. Sure, a prosecutor might try and twist that into "so you think you're law enforcement..." but a good defense attorney will tear that up.
I assume you mean to test them for feeding etc?
Yes. Some guns don't like some bullets.
And if you should have to shoot them, you will be entangled in the criminal law system.
Please stop giving such bad, and for most states, FALSE information. You might as well give away your guns and if you encounter a situation, maybe you can "talk" to the assailant and get them to stop whatever they were going to do.
 
There are a couple of Youtube channels that do ballistic testing that I enjoy watching.
Many different Manufactures loads test well, but I think consistently across their line up Federal HST is the best, I cant remember seeing a bad performance from one of their offerings.
 
In general, a 147gn bullet will reach lower velocity vs 124gn or 115gn one when shot out the same gun due to a couple of reasons. Heavier bullet will normally transfer greater energy into point of impact thou.
I'd also pay attention to how loud the round is when shot as well as how much muzzle flash you get. When in SD situation one isn't wearing hearing protection and in lower visibility case (like night or dark house) greater flash may blind you especially if you don't shoot from your hip but aiming like in normal shooting scenarios.
 
I'd also pay attention to how loud the round is when shot
Any decibel difference between 115-147g is inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. They'll ALL make your ears ring for a while.
as well as how much muzzle flash you get. When in SD situation one isn't wearing hearing protection and in lower visibility case (like night or dark house) greater flash may blind you
Not a thing
 
147 grain HST in everything. Don't loose sleep over trying to do better. Buy 50 round boxes <$30 when you can. Suppressed guns, PCCs, don't care. Don't worry about +P loadings. Buy in bulk. (I think I purchased a 1k case early pandemic.)

Carry >3" barrel whenever you can. Carry 3" when you can't.

Range ammo is 135 grain RN reloads, if shooting 9mm.
 
As far as flash goes, I disagree, I reload for my competitive shooting sports ammo and I use powder that gives low flash and I'm shooting during day time or in a well lit indoor range. You don't want a fireball in front of your eyes in low light, trained in low light conditions too outdoor and indoor with lights basically off; recovery is slow and could be deadly in SD case. Shooting from hip is a thing in low distance scenarios and one needs to learn it, just don't have any parts of your body in front of the gun.
 
Several years ago, when Glock was introducing the model 42/43, there was a regional LE supply house which set up a demo in our area. It was a combo event where the Glocks were showcased and also some new Speer bullets. The main thrust was to illuminate the differences between duty ammo and self-defense ammo, based on the difference in applications. I was lucky enough to be one of the few from my department to be present at the event. We got to shoot for an entire day using different guns and rounds. Full size and compact and subcompacts. Duty rounds and defense rounds. Shot through glass, drywall, wood, steel, etc. Shot into gelatin. Shot different calibers. It was a very, very informational event.

Duty guns (those in full dress uniform) typically have barrels around 4.5" or greater. And duty applications have some specific needs (such as shooting through laminated glass in cars, etc). And so, the duty ammo needs to match the application. The rounds developed for these uses take into account the bullet weight, bullet design, barriers potentially present and barrel length.

Self-defense guns, especially those for concealed carry, have shorter barrels (around 3.5" or less) and also have fewer barriers to be concerned with. Typically the only barrier to overcome is clothing (seasonally changing). And so, the bullet weight, design and velocity has to be tailored to the unique differences.

Ammo manufacturers have come a long way in this regard. One such example is Hornady. They have Critical Duty (for LEO full size weapons) and Critical Defense (for short barrels). The two different ammos will work OK in either application, but they are optimized for specific applications. You can use Critical Duty in a Glk 26, but it won't be optimized for that application; it would not reach max velocity and it would have excessive muzzle flash because the powder charge would continue to burn past the end of barrel. And vice-versa; Critical Defense won't be optimized for a Glk 17 because it would complete it's max pressure well before the bullet reached barrel tip. Yes - these rounds will function in either application, but they are OPTIMIZED for specific applications.

The goal is to get the right amount of bullet penetration and expansion for the majority of expected instances of use. An incredible amount of engineering and testing goes into a properly designed round. The goal is to maximize expansion and penetration. Velocity is an important component, but it's only one of several characteristics to consider. And velocity is a function of bullet weight, propellant burn rate, barrel length, etc.


I emailed the following companies and asked specifically about the following; what ammo do they recommend for a short barrel, self-defense application? My parameters were about a Glock 26/43 (9mm with short barrel); however this would apply to other brands of weapons with similar characteristics. I specifically stated that I was concerned about excess muzzle flash, proper velocity for barrel length, proper expansion, etc. Note that if you change caliber or barrel length, the recommended grain weight will change, so always check the ammo manufacturer website for specifics.

Here are their direct answers ... for short barrel 9mm use:

Federal: Personal Defense HST 147gr JPH

Winchester: Defender product line in either 124gr or 147gr

Hornady: Critical Defense 115gr FTX ; Critical Defense Lite 100gr FTX (for lower recoil, typically geared towards women)

Remington: "UMC ammo." (a poor response IMO, because they did not offer any particular product details). UMC is a brand line, not a product specific offering for the parameters I asked about.


While I have a LOT of different guns, I typically only carry a Glk 26 now that I'm retired. Federal and Horady are the two which I'm most likely to use.

If you are interested in some other brands (Speet, CorBon, etc) then I recommend you directly contact them and ask about the specific parameters for your application.
 
I'll be the outlier. I shoot 115 gr Hornady. Ballistic gel tells only one part of the equation. For me and the carry guns I shoot, the 115 work the best. I get less jump, better accuracy, and reliability. Like others have said, find what works for your gun, and what you have the most confidence in.
 
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