What oil to use for extended change interval (10k)

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Originally Posted By: Back40

Before going with Amsoil, I purchased Castrol GTX from Wally World but never made a special trip just for oil. Usually when grocery shopping, but I appreciate your logic.


GTX is a excellent oil. A little overpriced but seems to do well with others here.

How far is it to Wal-Mart? Do you have a local dist center for Amsoil to save on the shipping? (I wish I did)

Bill
 
Beats me Bill. I'm not smart enough to do it. I hate shopping and I refuse to walk out of a store with more than I carry in one hand. Don't believe in pushing shopping carts either. Just me and it was just and idea or theory. Somewhere in this country of 300 million people there has to at least one more as dumb as me.

Heck, I mail order my oil and filters and I don't use Amsoil.
 
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Beats me Bill. I'm not smart enough to do it. I hate shopping and I refuse to walk out of a store with more than I carry in one hand. Don't believe in pushing shopping carts either. Just me and it was just and idea or theory. Somewhere in this country of 300 million people there has to at least one more as dumb as me.

Heck, I mail order my oil and filters and I don't use Amsoil.


I mail order most of my stuff except oil that I buy on sale due to cost.

I do buy my gear/transmission oils from Pablo but always make enough of a order to "justify" the order. There is a local guy could supply me but I love giving Pablo the business. (Looks like Paul is doing real good so maybe I'll check out the local guy?)

Wal-Mart is a weekly trek for us. We shop there for 95% of the stuff we need. Excellent prices, they price match the other stores and have a good inventory.

I've often joked that I should just direct deposit one of my pay checks to them...
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Bill
 
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: Back40

Before going with Amsoil, I purchased Castrol GTX from Wally World but never made a special trip just for oil. Usually when grocery shopping, but I appreciate your logic.


GTX is a excellent oil. A little overpriced but seems to do well with others here.

How far is it to Wal-Mart? Do you have a local dist center for Amsoil to save on the shipping? (I wish I did)

Bill


Dist to Walmart - 5 miles
No local dist unfortunately
 
Originally Posted By: Back40
Originally Posted By: Back40
Originally Posted By: Gator
Mobil 1 EP 5 qts at wal mart is 27.50$, right now you can go in Advance auto and get the 5 qts of mobil 1 EP and a Mobil 1 filter for 29.99$ great deal since no rebate are going on now, Exactly how much is your Amsoil per quart, I thought long and hard about going to amsoil, I had to stretch out my Oil changes to help compensate but the real kicker why I didn't go to Amsoil was the shipping charges to me very expensive and not worth it.


I get the preferred customer price and buy in 2.5 gal jugs ($64.45) so that equates to $6.45/qt. Shipping is $15.43/4 cars = $3.86. So $10.31/qt for the Amsoil.


I should not have added $3.86 shippinig to each qt. $3.86 xtra per oil change so only about .75 cents extra per quart. Total per qt is $7.20


$15.43/10 would be $1.54 shipping/qt.
So total per qt is $7.99.
 
Originally Posted By: cjhepburn
Originally Posted By: Back40
Originally Posted By: Back40
Originally Posted By: Gator
Mobil 1 EP 5 qts at wal mart is 27.50$, right now you can go in Advance auto and get the 5 qts of mobil 1 EP and a Mobil 1 filter for 29.99$ great deal since no rebate are going on now, Exactly how much is your Amsoil per quart, I thought long and hard about going to amsoil, I had to stretch out my Oil changes to help compensate but the real kicker why I didn't go to Amsoil was the shipping charges to me very expensive and not worth it.


I get the preferred customer price and buy in 2.5 gal jugs ($64.45) so that equates to $6.45/qt. Shipping is $15.43/4 cars = $3.86. So $10.31/qt for the Amsoil.


I should not have added $3.86 shippinig to each qt. $3.86 xtra per oil change so only about .75 cents extra per quart. Total per qt is $7.20


$15.43/10 would be $1.54 shipping/qt.
So total per qt is $7.99.


Don't forget the PC fee to get the best pricing.
 
Oh, that's right another $10, so $8.99/qt.
I wish Amsoil would get rid of the pyramid-scheme distribution model and put the stuff on the shelves.
Not trying to derail, just a random thought.
 
Originally Posted By: cjhepburn
Originally Posted By: Back40
Originally Posted By: Back40
Originally Posted By: Gator
Mobil 1 EP 5 qts at wal mart is 27.50$, right now you can go in Advance auto and get the 5 qts of mobil 1 EP and a Mobil 1 filter for 29.99$ great deal since no rebate are going on now, Exactly how much is your Amsoil per quart, I thought long and hard about going to amsoil, I had to stretch out my Oil changes to help compensate but the real kicker why I didn't go to Amsoil was the shipping charges to me very expensive and not worth it.


I get the preferred customer price and buy in 2.5 gal jugs ($64.45) so that equates to $6.45/qt. Shipping is $15.43/4 cars = $3.86. So $10.31/qt for the Amsoil.


I should not have added $3.86 shippinig to each qt. $3.86 xtra per oil change so only about .75 cents extra per quart. Total per qt is $7.20


$15.43/10 would be $1.54 shipping/qt.
So total per qt is $7.99.


I buy 2 2.5 gal at a time = 20 quarts. Sorry I did not state that earlier.
 
Originally Posted By: cjhepburn
Oh, that's right another $10, so $8.99/qt.
I wish Amsoil would get rid of the pyramid-scheme distribution model and put the stuff on the shelves.
Not trying to derail, just a random thought.


You don't know much about what goes into business models and distribution chains, huh?
This is their business blueprint, and, again, if it works, why would they change it all to blend in with the rest of your run-of-the-mill oils on the shelves?
 
With Amsoil, you must purchase the EaO oil filter in order for Amsoil to cover your engine for 1-year/15k for extended drains. While the filter is good, the EaO does cost around $15. If you do not use the EaO filter, any product guarantee is void.

With Mobil 1 EP or Castrol Edge, no special oil filter is required. You can use a Fram Tough Guard or Purolator PureOne filter for $6 and still be covered.
 
Originally Posted By: BeanCounter
No disrespect intended about the above comment.
Don't get me wrong.


I think you're being too sensitive. I don't think any one would take offense to being called a no-nothing.
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While Amsoil is a great product, and IS stocked on the shelves of a couple smaller, non-chain parts store shelves, it's just too expensive for me. I don't think I'd be comfortable going any longer than 10k OCI, which I can easily do on M1EP or Shell T6. I really don't know if Amsoil would provide better protection over those 10k miles, but for so much more I can't justify it.
 
Originally Posted By: The Critic
With Amsoil, you must purchase the EaO oil filter in order for Amsoil to cover your engine for 1-year/15k for extended drains. While the filter is good, the EaO does cost around $15. If you do not use the EaO filter, any product guarantee is void.

With Mobil 1 EP or Castrol Edge, no special oil filter is required. You can use a Fram Tough Guard or Purolator PureOne filter for $6 and still be covered.


Actually, the EaO filter is 25k or 1 year.
I just paid $7 a pop for Wix filters that are good for maybe 5-7.5k. My Solstice has drop-in filters, so no EaO available. You do the math on what is the better deal.

Oh and don't forget, your oil is only as good as the filters that clean it. Small price to pay for the lifeblood of your motor.
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Originally Posted By: BeanCounter
Actually, the EaO filter is 25k or 1 year.
I just paid $7 a pop for Wix filters that are good for maybe 5-7.5k. My Solstice has drop-in filters, so no EaO available. You do the math on what is the better deal.

Oh and don't forget, your oil is only as good as the filters that clean it. Small price to pay for the lifeblood of your motor.
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The Amsoil ATM is rated for 1-yr/15k under severe service. The Amsoil website states that if the oil's service interval is less than 25k, the filter should still be replaced at the time of the oil change.

Wix, Pureone or Fram TG filters average around $6. The makers of Castrol EDGE and Mobil 1 EP do not require a special filter, so any of those choices should be acceptable for the duration of the OP's 10k interval.
 
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
Originally Posted By: BeanCounter
No disrespect intended about the above comment.
Don't get me wrong.


I think you're being too sensitive. I don't think any one would take offense to being called a no-nothing.
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While Amsoil is a great product, and IS stocked on the shelves of a couple smaller, non-chain parts store shelves, it's just too expensive for me. I don't think I'd be comfortable going any longer than 10k OCI, which I can easily do on M1EP or Shell T6. I really don't know if Amsoil would provide better protection over those 10k miles, but for so much more I can't justify it.


What kind of driving do you see and how many miles a year are you driving?

The desire for a more expensive initial purchase is going to decrease as some of these factors remain small, but that still doesn't mean there isn't more protection there, it is just fractionally smaller than the opposite.

I figure that if there is one thing I need to go overkill on, it may as well be my oil. I can replace an axle shaft, wheel bearing, water pump, alternator, and so on and so forth. I, however, do not care to replace a motor before its time is due. (And for me, who retains his vehicles, that means as far down the road as humanly possible.)

Again, some driving habits and conditions don't call for as long of OCI's and such, so I won't argue too much.
 
Originally Posted By: The Critic

The Amsoil ATM is rated for 1-yr/15k under severe service. The Amsoil website states that if the oil's service interval is less than 25k, the filter should still be replaced at the time of the oil change.

Wix, Pureone or Fram TG filters average around $6. The makers of Castrol EDGE and Mobil 1 EP do not require a special filter, so any of those choices should be acceptable for the duration of the OP's 10k interval.


I never saw any mention of ATM in the post I responded to. My apologies.

Again, you're proving my point. You're going with an OTC oil and expecting any oil filter to do the job. No one is saying you will have massive engine failures. It is just that if one of the two of us is going to be subjecting their oil to the possibility of more particulates and inferior filtration over a significant extended OCI...it probably isn't going to be me.

For what it is worth, I believe Amsoil will keep the warranty intact for the OCI if no EaO exists, but you are supposed to change the recommended Donaldson or WIX filter something in the ballpark of 7,500 or so. Someone feel free to correct me if my specifics are wrong.
 
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Originally Posted By: The Critic
With Amsoil, you must purchase the EaO oil filter in order for Amsoil to cover your engine for 1-year/15k for extended drains. While the filter is good, the EaO does cost around $15. If you do not use the EaO filter, any product guarantee is void.


That's just not true. You can use another filter with Amsoil and do extended drains, you just need to change that filter at the OEM recommended interval.

http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1363.pdf

http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1490.pdf

Interesting math in this thread.
 
Originally Posted By: BeanCounter
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
Originally Posted By: BeanCounter
No disrespect intended about the above comment.
Don't get me wrong.


I think you're being too sensitive. I don't think any one would take offense to being called a no-nothing.
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While Amsoil is a great product, and IS stocked on the shelves of a couple smaller, non-chain parts store shelves, it's just too expensive for me. I don't think I'd be comfortable going any longer than 10k OCI, which I can easily do on M1EP or Shell T6. I really don't know if Amsoil would provide better protection over those 10k miles, but for so much more I can't justify it.


What kind of driving do you see and how many miles a year are you driving?

The desire for a more expensive initial purchase is going to decrease as some of these factors remain small, but that still doesn't mean there isn't more protection there, it is just fractionally smaller than the opposite.

I figure that if there is one thing I need to go overkill on, it may as well be my oil. I can replace an axle shaft, wheel bearing, water pump, alternator, and so on and so forth. I, however, do not care to replace a motor before its time is due. (And for me, who retains his vehicles, that means as far down the road as humanly possible.)

Again, some driving habits and conditions don't call for as long of OCI's and such, so I won't argue too much.


I actually posted up asking whether it was worth paying so much more for a boutique oil I wasn't mentally prepared to run for longer than what I'm currently running in my STI. In other words, if UOA shows that I can run T6 out to 10kmi, and I'm not willing to run an oil like Amsoil or Redline out further, is it worth it? Is the RL/Amsoil protecting or providing any benefit over that OCI if the T6 holds up just fine? Like you, I dont plan to replace the motor, and am hoping to eek out 200k moreo on my STI and 100k more on my Leggy, but I'm not sure that can't be done doing what I'm doing. I am open to change, though.

What I'm doing:

97 Subaru Legacy (203kmi): This is my DD and winter driving car. I work 3.6 miles from home. I run errands a few days a week, and sometimes make longer, 50+ mile trips. In the winter I make most of my long distance trips - 1-1/2 hrs down to see the gf every other week + where ever else the wind takes me on a given weekend - in this car, so it does get plenty of highway miles. In the warmer months it's mainly a back-and-forth-to-work car, but will still see a few longer trips. FWIW, this will be my first time running the oil out to 10k on T6.

08 Subaru STI (19kmi): This is my nice-day, summer driving car. It mostly sees the highway, with spirited on-ramp jonts, and weekend days on the back roads. Overally I'd say it sees 80/20 highway. My last OCI was 4600 miles, this one will be 7500, and the next will be based UOA results. The results at 4600 - my first run on T6 - seemed to have a lot of life left.

Neither car burns any oil at all, though the Leggy did burn 1-1/2 qts when I first switched over from GTX HM to T6 over the first 1500 miles. I'm at 5000 miles now on this OCI, and haven't burned a drop since.
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Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: The Critic
With Amsoil, you must purchase the EaO oil filter in order for Amsoil to cover your engine for 1-year/15k for extended drains. While the filter is good, the EaO does cost around $15. If you do not use the EaO filter, any product guarantee is void.


That's just not true. You can use another filter with Amsoil and do extended drains, you just need to change that filter at the OEM recommended interval.

http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1363.pdf

http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1490.pdf

Interesting math in this thread.


Thanks for the back-up here. I knew it wasn't right, but didn't want to spout too much awfully wrong info.
 
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