What is my Honda Pilot engine's REAL problem?

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Originally Posted By: WMSmotorhead
Originally Posted By: dave1251


Incorrect answer.


Cut and pasted directly from Mobil's Website... in the description of Super.

•Unique formulation proven to help extend engine life
•Proven protection against sludge and engine wear
•5,000 miles of protection, guaranteed*

I didn't make that up.


I do know if you made it up or not, but you gave incorrect information. Because it meets Ford WSS-M2C945-A in 5W20 variety means that is it good up to 10K.
 
He copied that off the Mobil site, he just didn't click the link to the guarantee that went with the "*".
 
Originally Posted By: Adam_in_NH
So it might appear my dealer is off the hook and my issue is with Honda. Just as well, they have the resources to make this right.


I think your dealer was right in recommending following the manual and maintenance minder. He could have tried to sell you 3000 mile/3 month oil changes, which would be a bit of a scam for plenty of applications. That interval might have been great in hindsight, but hindsight is always 20/20. The manufacturer specified the OCI, not you or the dealer. You followed the rules with an appropriate product. If you ask me, it's now on the manufacturer.
 
Originally Posted By: dblshock
just checked 3 different 5/20 brands all say synthetic, all were purchased for less than .80


Please let me know where to get synthetic 5W-20 oil for .80 (cents?) a quart please, TIA!
 
Originally Posted By: addyguy
Originally Posted By: tbm3fan
I guess I will still continue to hate Hondas. I once had a 1980 Honda wagon as a new car. This is back in the days when I changed the oil every 3,000 miles. At 104,000 it was having power problems. Turns out two lobes on the camshaft were very worn. I was very ticked off and vowed never to buy another Honda.

On the other hand an Acura might be ok. A friend, at an independent auto parts place, has this car owner bring his car in when it needs work that he does on the side. Saw a Acura brought in that had 145,000 miles and was never serviced at all. All original everything and it ran to that mileage coolant, plugs, oil, filter, etc for 7 years.


I'm sorry, but I just HAD to comment on this post.

Basing your opinion on a car maker from one experience 30+ years ago is so stupid, it's not even funny.

Oils and engines are nothing like they were back then. 104k out of a 1980 daily-driven Honda, while not stellar, isn't that bad by the standards of the day.


Maybe yes or maybe no but it is my call as to whether I "feel" they are worth another try. They weren't which is why the next car was a new 86 Mazda 626 which went 360,000 miles on a 3,000 OCI. Just another 80's daily driver 4 banger. Bonus was a less expensive car since there was no dealer premium for a "hot" car.
 
Originally Posted By: kender
Originally Posted By: Rand
nice first post welcome to bitog and i hope you arent a trolling
formerly banned member here.


Maybe.....Adam Vasbinder? Maybe not. Time will tell.


A million times, this^
 
Originally Posted By: dave1251

Because it meets Ford WSS-M2C945-A in 5W20 variety means that is it good up to 10K.


I'm a little out of the loop and this is new to me. How do you know this? What's good for 10k in one engine, may not be good for 10k in a different engine. I agree with WMSmotorhead, it's only guaranteed for 5000 miles. I would have no problem using mobil super for 10k in a civic, but would never run it 10k in a turbocharged vehicle, regardless of it meeting Ford WSS-M2C945-A.

Originally Posted By: WMSmotorhead
Mobil Super is only guaranteed to give you 5000mi. It says so in bold print on the bottle. Mobil Super 5000.
 
Originally Posted By: sxg6
Originally Posted By: dave1251

I agree with WMSmotorhead, it's only guaranteed for 5000 miles.
WMSmotorhead said:
Mobil Super is only guaranteed to give you 5000mi. It says so in bold print on the bottle. Mobil Super 5000.



Have you checked Mobil's guarantee? It is not good for only 5,000 miles. Or are you having problems reading Mobil's guarantee also?
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Originally Posted By: Pablo

Please focus on the fact that your OLM went significantly longer than the mean for other users of the same engine.


So is this going to be ignored?

Hello????
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: Pablo

Please focus on the fact that your OLM went significantly longer than the mean for other users of the same engine.


So is this going to be ignored?

Hello????


Originally Posted By: Adam_in_NH


Most of the 30K miles per year were highway miles, run at about 75MPH. Only about 200 miles towing, nothing severe at all, no off-road. Some short trips but very few compared to highway miles.


Our '08 Accord went 8000 miles before the maintenance minder called for an oil change, and that is with a 18 mile commute and an average speed of 35-40 MPH. Considering Adam's average speed is probably much higher than average, the number of engine hours on that 9k oil change may be not be much higher than someone who drives around town for 5,000 miles.
 
Originally Posted By: Rob_Roy

Our '08 Accord went 8000 miles before the maintenance minder called for an oil change, and that is with a 18 mile commute and an average speed of 35-40 MPH. Considering Adam's average speed is probably much higher than average, the number of engine hours on that 9k oil change may be not be much higher than someone who drives around town for 5,000 miles.


Different algorithm in the Accord. Never seen an Ody or Pilot go to 10K+ - this seems odd.
 
Originally Posted By: jigen
Maybe I've just been on the Internet too much and assume, but I smell a troll in this thread.


I didn't think so, only because other owners of this vehicle have similar problems.
 
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: WMSmotorhead
Originally Posted By: dave1251


Incorrect answer.


Cut and pasted directly from Mobil's Website... in the description of Super.

•Unique formulation proven to help extend engine life
•Proven protection against sludge and engine wear
•5,000 miles of protection, guaranteed*

I didn't make that up.


I do know if you made it up or not, but you gave incorrect information. Because it meets Ford WSS-M2C945-A in 5W20 variety means that is it good up to 10K.


That's not 100% true. Mobil is saying they are only guaranteeing it to 5000 mi, can it go further, probably but that's outside of mobils guarantee UNLESS it's OEM oci. Just because it meets MC 945 does NOT mean it can safely go 10k. Your extrapolating a little bit. The Main criteria for fords 945 and 946 is SN and GF5. Under severe conditions most ford rated conventional oils are good for 5k but that is where ford recommends the oci for severe. Even though the new ford OM has a 5k, 7.5k, or 10k oci option depending on the type of service most use 5k oci because of severe service most cars in cities get used for but that's not always accurate and has some marketing involved.

Even mobil special( not super) is 945 and 946 rated. Yes you probably can go 10k on Dino under the right conditions but that is pushing it with out uoa. Even though it is ford approved, it doesn't make it the most appropriate oil for the job. For instance on the ecoboosts you can go under the normal service for a 10k oci, have you seen those uoa at 5k?! No way you could comfortably run a 946 rated conventional out to 10k.
 
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Originally Posted By: Adam_in_NH
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Originally Posted By: Malo83
Those OLM's are just dandy, ain't they
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An OLM is not designed to protect the vehicle, its designed to protect the planet.


That is a very interesting and astute point of view.


Nope, it was designed to protect the consumers' pocket-book against what have been deemed excessive oil change$...
 
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