We Are Obsessed But Does It Really Matter

Back to the OP - no really doesn't matter. I hadn't even thought about it until maybe a year ago. Used dyno oil for years, factory suggested OCI, either an OEM or the cheapest wix filter - which I know from here now has a micron rating with the ability to catch some large rock some mediocre portion of the time. None of my cars have ever had lubrictation issues, including one of my Nissans which is approaching 400K miles.

Still, I like to learn and have learned much about oil and filters from many here over the last little while. Since it takes no effort to do better once you know - why not do it?
 
In my 55+ years of driving and ownership not one oil related incident, don't give in to all the hype of some overpriced super boutique oil, 5K oil changes with a new filter. ;)
What if it’s not hype? Would you consider 180 million annual miles on 15,000+ vehicles without an oil related failure as an eradication of hype? Where do you draw the line between hype and valid results? Just curious, while not arguing against your acquired experience.
 
If the engineering is there to support it, otherwise you are assuming something. Does thicker blood work in your body? Thicker oil means less oil flow. The bearing itself is a pump that has extreme pressures to the MOFT. Again… wear is due to temperature increase. Flow decreases temperature. Tighter bearings, higher pressures.
Engine lubrication and blood are not comparable.
 
What if it’s not hype? Would you consider 180 million annual miles on 15,000+ vehicles without an oil related failure as an eradication of hype? Where do you draw the line between hype and valid results? Just curious, while not arguing against your acquired experience.
Personally I don't know if it is hype. I am not even sure how much stuff like Amsoil costs. But if it were that much better, I would expect car manufacturers recommend it and use it at the factory.
Doesn't Porsche use Mobil1 from the factory? Ferrari? How about a new Vette?

The numbers you posted tell me very little. Unless I cannot measure them against something else, it's just data. Data by itself is worthless unless you can make information out of it. Maybe put that oil and M1 in NY taxicabs for a year or 2 (or 5) and see the results.

I am really curious in what scenarios boutique oils make sense. Can you point me to some deeper dive information? Thanks!
 
What if it’s not hype? Would you consider 180 million annual miles on 15,000+ vehicles without an oil related failure as an eradication of hype? Where do you draw the line between hype and valid results? Just curious, while not arguing against your acquired experience.
Results are what you see on the road everyday, vast majority of the cars on the road are running off the shelf/quick lube oils very few are gonna go to the extra expense on paying more for a boutique oil. believe what you will but off the shelf oils get the job done for me. ;)
 
Personally I don't know if it is hype. I am not even sure how much stuff like Amsoil costs. But if it were that much better, I would expect car manufacturers recommend it and use it at the factory.
Doesn't Porsche use Mobil1 from the factory? Ferrari? How about a new Vette?

The numbers you posted tell me very little. Unless I cannot measure them against something else, it's just data. Data by itself is worthless unless you can make information out of it. Maybe put that oil and M1 in NY taxicabs for a year or 2 (or 5) and see the results.

I am really curious in what scenarios boutique oils make sense. Can you point me to some deeper dive information? Thanks!
Jeff, I’m working on collecting my own data right now on a “boutique” oil.

For the sake of the current term while I’m collecting my data, there are some oils that are considered “boutique” simply because they are not shelf stock at the local WM or auto parts stores. I agree that I’d love to see some side-by-side tests of M1, PUP, Amsoil, HPL, Redline, etc. Same side by side tests, same lab, but using the objective wear and cleanliness measurements.

I know that will never happen because each losing company would throw a fit, so I try to learn what I can and make informed decisions with limited data. All I can offer so far is that I’ve got about 850k+ personal miles between PP, PUP, Chevron Delo, Amsoil, M1, and HPL and haven’t had a single internal engine issue, ever.

To me, that pretty much proves that the act of performing maintenance at reasonable schedules does outweigh the actual cost/quality of the maintenance. By how much, who knows? A failure rate of 0 across multiple variables means that you can’t even begin to assess a “better” product without being full of fertilizer! 😂
 
Results are what you see on the road everyday, vast majority of the cars on the road are running off the shelf/quick lube oils very few are gonna go to the extra expense on paying more for a boutique oil. believe what you will but off the shelf oils get the job done for me. ;)
I conceded that, Malo. We agree that frequent maintenance is more important than expensive maintenance performed at unreasonable intervals 👍🏻
 
I defended Dr. Haas in a thread several weeks ago, but what is it with people who start a subject known to cause controversy, only to go silent after their initial post?

It’s like throwing meat in front of a pack of coyotes and then standing there so you can watch them fight over it.

Scott
He's just a troll..
 
Results are what you see on the road everyday, vast majority of the cars on the road are running off the shelf/quick lube oils very few are gonna go to the extra expense on paying more for a boutique oil. believe what you will but off the shelf oils get the job done for me. ;)
I have seen this posted several times, yet in all my time here and on this planet I have never seen a study that shows this to be true. Is anyone able to provide a link to such a study? I don't necessarily doubt the assertion, I'd just like to see something that substantiates it.
 
I have seen this posted several times, yet in all my time here and on this planet I have never seen a study that shows this to be true. Is anyone able to provide a link to such a study? I don't necessarily doubt the assertion, I'd just like to see something that substantiates it.
Has there even been a study ?
 
I have seen this posted several times, yet in all my time here and on this planet I have never seen a study that shows this to be true. Is anyone able to provide a link to such a study? I don't necessarily doubt the assertion, I'd just like to see something that substantiates it.
One could simply email JiffyLube and/or VIOC and ask them if they would share the overall number of services they performed last year. Considering they’re the giants of the industry, you could extrapolate that to # of customers/vehicles.

I’d say it’s a safe bet that the remaining oil changes would be split 70/30 in favor of dealerships/indies/local QC places and DIY. I’d say it’s a safe bet that overall the DIY market is probably 10-15% of all vehicles, meaning 27-34 million DIY. Tops. Most people these days can’t be bothered by the time and effort to maintain their vehicles.
 
20 weight oil has been around for 20 years.
The SAE 20 grade has been around a LOT longer than 20 years, heck the original Mobil 1 was a 5W-20 in the 1970's, but xW-20 long pre-dates that. Ever see 20W-20 or 25W-20?

Guess it helps having a lot of experience with old equipment (boats in my case). We had stuff from the 20's, 30's, 40's and 50's.

I vividly recall a grade plaque on the back of a small Gray 4-cylinder, just before the drive unit, that showed a list of oil grades and ambient temperatures. SAE 20 was recommended for 5-20C IIRC, 30 from 15-30C and 40 above 30C.

I also recall on one of our tractors, which called for a SAE 30 or SAE 20W in Winter, that if you were expected to experience extreme cold, that you dilute the oil with kerosene.
 
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