Valvoline Synchromesh MTF?

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Molakule,

I think that link you posted was at this thread:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/good-white-paper-on-gear-oil-specs-gl-4-gl-5.200162/

I know, it gets confusing with the various threads you've replied to. But, after reading them all I basically understand to not settle for gear oil when you can get MTF, and to follow the spec viscosity.

Antiqueshell,

I saw that Valvoline Synchromesh af O'Reilly's for around $10 per qt. As it's close to 75W-90, yellow metal compatible, and made for manual transmissions, that might be my next MTF fill.
 
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I just got 3 quarts for my Toyota. Currently running a fresh fill of Mobil 1 75W-90 GL5. I'll drain and keep for diffs.

Looking at the PDSs the Valvoline product has a very high VI which should be helpful for cold shifting.

This stuff is full synthetic, right?
 
Originally Posted By: JZiggy
I just got 3 quarts for my Toyota. Currently running a fresh fill of Mobil 1 75W-90 GL5. I'll drain and keep for diffs.

Looking at the PDSs the Valvoline product has a very high VI which should be helpful for cold shifting.

This stuff is full synthetic, right?


Yes if Valvoline MTF Synchromesh is the same as VPS, then it is fully synthetic. Can you verify if the description on the back of the bottle is same as the PDS of VPS posted by Molakule earlier in this thread?

Keep us posted how it works.
 
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I don't think Valvoline went through those classifications as it's not officially certified GL-4 as per the PDS. It's only recommended for GL-4 transmission application.

I did contact Valvoline and spoke to a tech rep. He said that:

1. Synchromesh is non-weighted, but you can use it instead of Valvoline's 75W-90 gear oil for manual transmissions,

2. It is yellow metal safe and it was specifically made for transmissions with synchros,

3. It is similar to VPS,

4. PDS is not yet available.

Based on this, I can assume that it's almost identical to VPS and thus, I wouldn't mind trying it out in my manual tranny until the PDS comes out.
 
I just e mailed Valvoline concerning the ASTM D130 corrosion test and will see what they say...If they claim it is yellow metal safe they had to have put it through this test and come up with a result of 1a, or 1b...I also wonder if it is rated MT-1?
 
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Thanks JZiggy.

I was at OReilly's last night to buy 2 qts of this MTF but did not do it. I looked at the oil in the bottle and it looked thin to me compared to the MasterPro 75W90 they had. I could tell from the sight windows from both bottles and the MP looked thicker when I shook them.

VSM might be 75W90 on VPS paper but it looked like 5W-30 thickness to me. For a warm climate like Hawaii, I actually went with RL MT-90 through Amazon. I wanted to thicken my next MTF change in the first place to stop 1st gear crunch when tyranny is hot using the OEM G60 in it now.
 
OK, is Valvoline producing a 10 cSt synchromesh AND a 14.5 cSt synchomesh, because no one seems to have clarified the EXACT product or it's specifications under discussion.

The only thing I have thus found thus far is a 14 cSt MTL from Valvoline.
 
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I've e mailed them on the specific product called
Valvoline Synchromesh MTF.

Asked firstly about whether it has passed the ASTM D130 tests with a 1a or 1b result, second what is the API weighting, and third if it is speced a GL-4, GL-5 or a combination of the two.

I'll post their response when I receive it.
 
That's what I would like to know too. Which one is the 14.5 cst? Only the VPS's PDS is out that says that.

My guess is the Synchromesh variety is for GM spec, which is 10 cst. It says that it is suitable for GM use on the bottle so most likely it is as thick as GM or Pennzoil Synchromesh.
 
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It's weird though because the VPS MTF also states that it is suitable for GM and Chrysler manual transmissions which do use a very thin viscosity. Don't see how the two could be the same but it appears that Valvoline is claiming they are?
 
Yes if this is the same as pennzoil synchromesh ill have to drain it back out... My toyota wants a ~14cSt fluid. I wish valvoline was more clear on the specs.
 
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
It's weird though because the VPS MTF also states that it is suitable for GM and Chrysler manual transmissions which do use a very thin viscosity. Don't see how the two could be the same but it appears that Valvoline is claiming they are?


It is not very thin, it would be a 10 cSt fluid for GM and Chrysler applications:

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G. The next group of MTL’s are in the 10.x cSt range are:

1. Redline MTL 70W80.

2. Amsoil MTL

3. GM Synchromeshs’

4. Volvo MTF 645

5. Ford Motor Craft XT-M5-QS


H. The next higher viscosity MTL would be:

1. Redline MT-85 – 12.0 cSt



I. The next higher viscosity MTLs would be:

1. Amsoil MTG 14.5 cSt

2. Redline MT-90 15.6 cSt

3. Castrol Syntrans Multivehicle 75W-90


I suspect Valvoline will be introducing two synchromesh MTLs, a 10 cSt (5W30) MTL and a 14.5 cSt fluid (75W90) to compete with Amsoil and Redline.
 
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Originally Posted By: JZiggy
Yes if this is the same as pennzoil synchromesh ill have to drain it back out... My toyota wants a ~14cSt fluid. I wish valvoline was more clear on the specs.


Sorry to hear that. If you want, you could call Valvoline at (800) 832-6825 to get a definite answer before draining it out. The rep I spoke with was vague with the viscosity and would not give any numbers. But to me, it looked thin in the bottle just by shaking it - nothing scientific.
 
Good call. I just got off the phone with a valvoline tech and learned the following about the "Valvoline MTF" product available in parts stores (same thing pictured earlier in this thread):

- It is a GL-4 spec
- Viscosity is 75W-85

Looks like I'm good to go.
 
Ok guys, please do us all a favor and please quote part numbers and viscosity specs when speaking of these Valvoline lubricants so no one puts the wrong fluid in their tranny.

BTW, and please try to determine Kinematic Viscosity, not weight.

Weight has too wide a variation in viscosity range.
 
Part # is 811095. Agreed about the weight, but the tech guy could only tell me is a 75W85 and not a 75W90. Comparing Redline's MT90 vs MT85, I'm guessing the viscosity is around 12 rather than 14ish. But again that is a GUESS.

The tech said that newer Toyota MTs were calling for 75W85 and it is intended to be a fit for this application.
 
Interesting that it is a GL-4 spec, and they don't clearly label it as one.

I'm still waiting for Valvoline to reply to my e mail inquiry about the ASTM D130 corrosion test results.

Also it would be nice to know if VPS MTF and
Valvoline Synchromesh MTF are the same or different. If they are where can the DIY consumer buy the VPS version????
 
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