Valvoline Restore & Protect

[ZeeOSix]

I’m not sure it’s published. I think it’s estimated based off others’ Noack.

Valvoline and any other big oil maker knows what the Noack is because they will measure it in their lab.

 

[JAG]

Do we know what the VRP 5W30 NOACK is ?
Hopefully it’s less than 10% .

I didn’t state it in the following thread, but at 2 hours, my Noack estimate for it and M1 5W-30 is around 8.7%. That was before the SDS stated GTL base oils, so it may be less now.
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[perkz]

Stating the Noack as <15% doesn't mean much as it could be 8% and still be "<15%". The API requirement for Noack is <15%, so they are just listing that and saying it meets the "<15%" Noack requirement. If you call Valvoline they may give the actual Noack number.

I am curious why NOACK, or evaporation loss, is an issue in this application. What am I missing?

 

[tired]

You say this like it is a bad thing for Valvoline. Or I am misunderstanding your point?

No, not at all. I’m saying it’s totally normal. Look at the post I responded to and the chain of replies. Someone is arguing that it wasn’t Valvoline that came up with this cleaning agent but another lab. And I’m just saying that’s normal. How it works. Valvoline probably funded the lab or contracted them to do work for them.

 

[ZeeOSix]

I am curious why NOACK, or evaporation loss, is an issue in this application. What am I missing?

Who said it was an issue?

 

[facility1]

Stating the Noack as <15% doesn't mean much as it could be 8% and still be "<15%". The API requirement for Noack is <15%, so they are just listing that and saying it meets the "<15%" Noack requirement. If you call Valvoline they may give the actual Noack number.

I tried to get more detailed information from Valvoline on their EP oils,they said only what was published, and also Mobil and they too were tight lipped on info. other more less common brands will give or more likely give out better detailed information on their products it seems.

 

[cheesepuffs2]

It’s very easy to pay a lab and own the intellectual property of what they develop. This is very common in medical research. Drug companies fund research all the time in labs in universities. Anything they develop is owned by the drug company because they paid for the research.

Exactly. It isn't isn't that Valvoline developed the additive. They paid for it.

 

[ZeeOSix]

It’s very easy to pay a lab and own the intellectual property of what they develop. This is very common in medical research. Drug companies fund research all the time in labs in universities. Anything they develop is owned by the drug company because they paid for the research.

Exactly. It isn't isn't that Valvoline developed the additive. They paid for it.

Sounded like it was a lab that routinely does work for Valvoline, and most likely R&P uses proprietary ingredients. So doubt other oil companies can pay and get the same additives from the same developer. Valvoline has it locked down.

 

[cheesepuffs2]

Sounded like it was a lab that does work for Valvoline, and most likely R&P uses proprietary ingredients. So doubt other oil companies can pay and get the same additives from the same developer. Valvoline has it locked down.

Right, but there seems to be an idea on the forum from some members that Valvoline themselves, in Lexington Kentucky, is creating the additive(s). They are not.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Right, but there seems to be an idea on the forum from some members that Valvoline themselves, in Lexington Kentucky, is creating the additive(s). They are not.

Regardless of what lab worked with Valvoline to developed the additives, or where the development work was done, they are still proprietary additives only known by and used by Valvoline.

 

[cheesepuffs2]

Regardless of what lab worked with Valvoline to developed the additives, or where the development work was done, they are still proprietary additives only known by and used by Valvoline.

Yeah, that's not the "argument".

 

[ZeeOSix]

Their test labs are in Lexington Kentucky, and they do ASTM Sequence testing on the finished products, as seen in some videos. Their formulation R&D is in India. Maybe it was in Lexington Kentucky a long time ago, but not now. It sounds like Valvoline owns the lab in India.

https://www.valvolineglobal.com/en-in/vlsipl/departments-archive/research-development-lab/

 

[ChrisD46]

As for me, I plan on living vicariously through Glenda W.

Anxiously awaiting the results of G.W's test moving from VRP to ESP 0w-30.

If the results are as I expect, I will follow suit. Been on VRP for 3 OCI's. Likely switch to ESP. Waiting for the resulsfrom Glenda W.

Agreed ! I’m doing the opposite coming from my current fill of 0W30 ESP to 5W30 VRP (on deck next) .

 

[ChrisD46]

Exactly. It isn't isn't that Valvoline developed the additive. They paid for it.

I believe Valvoline was working with an Indian lab when the magic RP cleaning ingredient was discovered .

 

[ATex7239]

Here you go oil nerds! Due to request here is the Toyota OEM drain plug gasket soaked in VRP challenge. Ordered some more oil from WM online and put two new gaskets (black & blue type) in clean sample bottles with fresh oil. Bottles will be stored in non-climate controlled garage. Let’s see what happens.

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Update: Checked on these while grabbing some Gumout for the Toyota. No visible change. I’ll use this black one that’s been soaking during the next change with VRP to see what happens while in service.

 

[ltslimjim]

Update: Checked on these while grabbing some Gumout for the Toyota. No visible change. I’ll use this black one that’s been soaking during the next change with VRP to see what happens while in service.

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I do wonder if being able to experience engine temperatures would make the results more conclusive.

 

[ATex7239]

I do wonder if being able to experience engine temperatures would make the results more conclusive.

It’s possible. There is a blue one on there right now. I’ll take pics of it when I do the next change here soon which will be at approx 3 months (May to Aug) and 5000 miles. I’ll install this soaked black one next so we can see what happens to it. It’s a typical hot summer here in the Texas so it’ll see some heat cycles.

 

[BlakeB]

Update: Checked on these while grabbing some Gumout for the Toyota. No visible change. I’ll use this black one that’s been soaking during the next change with VRP to see what happens while in service.

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The blue one on the Tacoma came apart when I changed the oil this last time. The blue part that came off was in one piece at the bottom of my drain pan. This was the first run of VRP in the Tacoma, 3,000 miles and just shy of 5 months on that OCI. New on left, used on the right. These are supposed to be genuine OEM Toyota crush washers, but they came from Amazon so it’s possible that they are not. I’ve used about 5 of them so far and haven’t had any leaks, but I much prefer the old black fiber type crush washers that you used to be able to get.

 

[panthermike]

@ATex7239 Is there speculation that this might be an issue with seals etc? I can't recall the original discussion. Thank you for doing this BTW, very interesting.

 

[ATex7239]

@ATex7239 Is there speculation that this might be an issue with seals etc? I can't recall the original discussion. Thank you for doing this BTW, very interesting.

I don’t think so. I think it’s more of a concern about leaving old gasket material behind and potentially causing a leak around the plug. No problem.