Then someone would probably think that Valvoline meant to run the oil for 20K miles in one OCI.
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Patman
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Sadly you are probably right.Then someone would probably think that Valvoline meant to run the oil for 20K miles in one OCI.
I guess at the end of the day it really doesn’t matter what they say. I will be running it for at least three OCIs for a total of around 20,000 miles give or take.
vrp removes it's own deposits as they are deposited. We are in agreement.
Like I said earlier ... VRP cleans up what's already there ("Restore") and the "removes it's own deposits" as you say: ie it keeps it clean by preventing deposits (the "Protect" part). Mobil 1 may do the "Protect" part by not letting deposits form in an already clean engine but it's not claimed to clean existing deposits and "Restore" like VRP is claimed to do.
So back to my original comment, Mobil 1 may keep a clean engine clean, but it has no claim that it cleans existing deposits in a dirty engine like Valvoline claims with R&P.
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And then when they wreck their engine blame Valvoline. People trying to use a product to clean an engine shouldn't be running the product for an extended OCI. Occasionally following directions works. LOL
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Most manufacturers have had intervals of at least 7500 miles for some time now (barring shorter intervals for extreme driving conditions). I’m willing to bet valvoline took this into consideration and their recommendation will likely fall in the 30-40k interval for full cleanup.
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This is why Valvoline should give an OCI then. By them saying to follow their manufacturer guidelines and/or follow the OLM, it opens up the possibility of people running this oil for 10k or more when it really should not be run that long (especially on the first interval)And then when they wreck their engine blame Valvoline. People trying to use a product to clean an engine shouldn't be running the product for an extended OCI. Occasionally following directions works. LOL
Good point, I haven't used the product yet. I'm following it here and I'm hoping for a 5W40 or Euro XW30 to be honest. I guess a little common sense should apply then. Extended OCIs should be avoided when cleaning an engine. OTOH common sense might not be so common anymore.
Now why would they want to do that. They know people will buy their oil regardless. As I always say: Marketing sells anything!”
The FAQ on the Valvoline site now says it takes 4 OR MORE CONSECUTIVE oil changes to clean your engine 100% which I take to be marketing speak for "Use VRP and never stop if you want a clean engine".
I think we should stop taking Valvolines reference to 4 OCIs so literally.
Their messaging has changed, just like they originally said they were concerned about clogging filters if VRP did too good a job too fast. Now they say deposits removed by VRP are dissolved and stay suspended in the oil and do NOT affect the filter like. (Also in the FAQ)
FAQ is at https://www.valvolineglobal.com/en/restore-and-protect/ - scroll to the bottom of the page
I think we should stop taking Valvolines reference to 4 OCIs so literally.
Their messaging has changed, just like they originally said they were concerned about clogging filters if VRP did too good a job too fast. Now they say deposits removed by VRP are dissolved and stay suspended in the oil and do NOT affect the filter like. (Also in the FAQ)
FAQ is at https://www.valvolineglobal.com/en/restore-and-protect/ - scroll to the bottom of the page
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I have posted a HD video of two engine oil filters in my oil burner car one with Castrol Edge 0W20 Euro and the other Valvoline Restore & Protect. It is the start of the second OCI today:
https://youtu.be/R64lCTwK-Q4
https://youtu.be/R64lCTwK-Q4
A 43+ minute video....c'mon.
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This is my beef with a lot of YouTube videos. I don’t need to watch a 45 minute video of someone changing their oil or cutting open a filter. I realize that they want longer videos to get paid but I think a lot of people lose interest and shut it off early if it’s too long winded. A lot of the videos I watch out there could easily be condensed into 15 minutes.
From the first time I've heard of VRP it has always been four, normal OCI, MINIMUM. I have seen many people (posts) either disregarding this or just being ignorant (not reading).
Same here, I’ve never been confused. I also believe it was covered in the LSJR vid at the Valvoline lab.
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The confusion comes from the fact that they haven’t really defined what that OCI is. As I have already said, there is a huge difference between four 3000 mile runs and four 10,000 mile runs.
Specifically:
UP TO 100% PISTON DEPOSIT REMOVAL WHEN USED AS DIRECTED FOR FOUR OR MORE CONSECUTIVE OIL CHANGES AT STANDARD MAINTENANCE INTERVALS. BASED ON ADAPTED SEQUENCE IIIH TESTING.
UP TO 100% PISTON DEPOSIT REMOVAL WHEN USED AS DIRECTED FOR FOUR OR MORE CONSECUTIVE OIL CHANGES AT STANDARD MAINTENANCE INTERVALS. BASED ON ADAPTED SEQUENCE IIIH TESTING.
I've posted this in another thread:
For best results, Valvoline recommends using Restore & Protect consistently as directed by the vehicle's manufacturer. According to Valvoline, using Restore & Protect for four or more consecutive oil changes at standard maintenance intervals.
For best results, Valvoline recommends using Restore & Protect consistently as directed by the vehicle's manufacturer. According to Valvoline, using Restore & Protect for four or more consecutive oil changes at standard maintenance intervals.
What?!?! You don’t want a full length 3hr Rogan style podcast on filters?
How 'bout the dippy-doos who still hold the camera with one shaky hand?
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