Spider chart is comparative to MIN specifications. Most Premium "synthetic' exceed minimum ILSAC/API/Dexos1 spec in many of the test categories.Circle the wagons!
Spider chart is comparative to MIN specifications. Most Premium "synthetic' exceed minimum ILSAC/API/Dexos1 spec in many of the test categories.Circle the wagons!
Valvoline mentions this in the FAQ section
Riddle me this:
Two GM cars have engine failures.
One has a full synthetic Dexos 1 Gen 3 product in it.
One has an identical blended product, without paying the licensing fee to GM.
How does GM prove Dexos products were used or not?
Maybe I cannot solve the Riddle, last time I heard that word was in the 1970's, LOL.
You do bring up something interesting, if there are 2 engine failures with different oils, how do you tell the difference via UOA between a Licensed Oil and an unlicensed oil. I do not think GM could prove anything.
I will also add that in todays world an Engine Failure could be a lack of proper oil changes or letting the engine run low on oil. That may be more important than the Licensing Thing. JMO
Who cares? What general motors thinks. They are a minor player these daysYou guys aware of that Valvolines new oil isn't Dexos licensed? I guess I'll keep using Extended Protection (which works great).
Well, generally, doesn't a warranty claim result in the manufacture requesting receipts? That would show which oil you used.Riddle me this:
Two GM cars have engine failures.
One has a full synthetic Dexos 1 Gen 3 product in it.
One has an identical blended product, without paying the licensing fee to GM.
How does GM prove Dexos products were used or not?
Well, generally, doesn't a warranty claim result in the manufacture requesting receipts? That would show which oil you used.
The spec is not minor. It's the most strict.Who cares? What general motors thinks. They are a minor player these days
Dexos is recommended, not required.Riddle me this:
Two GM cars have engine failures.
One has a full synthetic Dexos 1 Gen 3 product in it.
One has an identical blended product, without paying the licensing fee to GM.
How does GM prove Dexos products were used or not?
It actually isn't too bad if you buy it from autozone, as part of the package with oil, oil filter, and air filter. Otherwise it is too much.Priced too high for the beater crowd that potentially needs it …
I always felt this way when people lean on keeping oil receipts for proof during any type of warranty issue. Okay, so it shows you purchased oil. You could have used that oil in a different vehicle. You could have bought that oil and then let it sit on a shelf for a year and not actually changed your oil at all. How does an oil purchase receipt prove that the oil used was the correct spec and changed on time per the manual?Nope. Never have seen it done myself. Besides. Let’s think about this for a moment.
What is a receipt?
The motor oil matters program by the API, which was discontinued, tried to list product details on the receipt. But installers didn’t want to do that because it was hard and expensive .
You could have a receipt that says “one oil change - $79.99”. Or maybe hand written from an old shop?
From a shop, who’s to even say it was the right oil in the bulk tank? We did that thread about quality and such already. So what’s the receipt even showing?
The burden of proof on warranty claims is on the OEM, to show you voided warranty. The only way they can do that is via UOA or clear oil failure, if not both, in this case. They have to show the oil did not meet or exceed specifications.
I did - and won’t use it exclusively …It actually isn't too bad if you buy it from autozone, as part of the package with oil, oil filter, and air filter. Otherwise it is too much.
That and it's a total gimmick.My crystal ball says this oil will fade away just like Valvoline's NextGen recycled oil. I wanted to try NextGen, but couldn't find it anywhere except Advance and their price was way too high.