Valvoline Restore and Protect skepticism
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just curious, but what would happen if someone uses VRP then neglects to change their oil on time? would it produce sludge like other oils? Not that i would do that...
Of course it would.
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The same as any other group III oil. Why would be any different just because VRP has a secret cleaning ingredient?
Actually, people report quite dark oil in the end of their first OCI. That is because the oil holds in suspension some of the cleaned off sludge and varnish.
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I decided to give it a go in my Gladiator, which I purchased with 35k miles. I ran Mobil 1 EP, mostly, with a couple runs of ESP. So I am running at least one, maybe two, 5k OCI's with R&P. I am not sure there is much in there to clean, but if there is, a couple OCI's should take care of it. Then I'm back to Mobil 1 Advanced Clean or ESP, whichever I decide to run.
I may run it in my Wrangler, too. But it's had Mobil 1 ESP in it from new, so again, not sure there is much to clean. It has 116k on it now.
I also might do an OCI or two in my Vette, which I picked up at 58k miles. It's now got 72k. Again, I don't think it can hurt.
The evidence is pretty clear that VRP works.
My only concern is if they had to change the formulation due to effects from the fight with Iran.
I may run it in my Wrangler, too. But it's had Mobil 1 ESP in it from new, so again, not sure there is much to clean. It has 116k on it now.
I also might do an OCI or two in my Vette, which I picked up at 58k miles. It's now got 72k. Again, I don't think it can hurt.
The evidence is pretty clear that VRP works.
My only concern is if they had to change the formulation due to effects from the fight with Iran.
API has allowed a 90 day reprieve to use additional base stocks, other than group 3, and maintain licensing:
https://www.fuelsandlubes.com/api-extends-emergency-provisional-licensing-by-90-days/
So, maybe that SP oil sitting on the shelf with dust on it, may not be a bad thing to grab right now....just sayin.
https://www.fuelsandlubes.com/api-extends-emergency-provisional-licensing-by-90-days/
So, maybe that SP oil sitting on the shelf with dust on it, may not be a bad thing to grab right now....just sayin.
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just a random thought. Figured as much.
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This forum really cracks me up.....
In what engine did QSFS changed at 5K intervals cause varnish? I have bought several new and low mileage vehicles in my life and never had stuck rings, oil burning, varnish etc....using virtually every name brand oil including Quaker State. I was a 3K OCI guy for many years until joining BITOG and getting educated and now 5K is the minimum on synthetic for me. In my DI Focus I do 5K OCIs but will do 6 or 7K on my non DI Escape because it holds 6 quarts with the 3600 size filter and more highway driving.
I agree with the OP that VRP isn't necessary in a new vehicle unless it's a known bad design.
Maybe there is a subtle nuance here for discussion... caused Vs: allowed to happen?
Understood that Tom is referring to Quaker State and I'm speaking of Supertech below : My high mileage Trax was suffering from something that allowed for oil consumption that was apparently "cured" by Restore and Protect.
I speculate some stuck pistion rings were a distinct possability.
The previously used oil was Supertech for years.
Generally I ran the Supertech down to about 20 percent on the OLM which was usually about 6K miles.
Did Supertech "allow" whatever was causing the consumption to occur?
Did Restore and Protect really do something that stopped the consumption?
I attest to the fact that the consumption stopped after one OCI of Restore and Protect.
Admittedly, real science is not one OCI.
For my part , I'm not ignoring the single point of data either.
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Yes, it left deposits on the oil control rings/in the ring lands that made them stick in the lands so that they didn't fully seal, so oil made its way into the combustion chamber and was consumed.
Yes. It removed the deposits so the rings sealed better.
I think people have too much faith with Mobil 1.
I can recall at least 2 members who've used M1 since new & accumulated 200-300K miles on their vehicles believing their engines are completely clean.
One was a Toyota Camry 2.3L 4 cylinder that used 1 qt/5K OCI, which was deemed normal by manufacturer.
By the end of 4 OCIs, oil consumption disappeared.
The other was a Honda 3.5L V6.
No oil consumption issues but 300K miles.
They decided to cut the oil filters & were surprised to see carbon deposits.
I believe your vehicles will benefit from doing the recommended 4 OCI cycle.
That´s great. But I´ve seen the valve train on my old 2008 Jeep 3.8 that ran it´s nearly 200k and it was spotless and running perfectly. And a tech who replaced my valve cover gaskets on my 2018 Wrangler said that valve train was spotless, too. He said it looked brand new. So my expectations for Mobil 1 products are standing on a foundation of first hand experience. I also had a 1999 Chevy Silverado with a 5.3 that I sold to my secretary. It is still in her family and had around 350k on it last time I asked and it was running perfectly. Her husband said they had continued with Mobil 1, as I had. And that´s vanilla Mobil 1 5w30, not ESP, EP, or any of the fancy stuff.
So maybe they have some crud in them around the rings or somewhere. If they run perfectly, I don´t see the problem with it. But like I said, what I´ve seen with my own eyes was clean as a whistle.
That said, I´m not at all denying or disparaging VRP. In fact, I´m quite impressed and that is why I am going to go ahead and do a couple OCI´s of Valvoline Restore and Protect in each of my vehicles because it clearly does deep cleaning, and that can only be a benefit.
I don´t think I will run 4, though. I am planning 2 each, 5k each, so 10k miles total for each vehicle. If I ever see oil consumption, I´ll replace the PCV and go straight to VRP. But I doubt I´ll see that.
I will be curious to see what comes of Mobil 1 Advanced Clean. It´d be great if we see similar results as VRP in terms of cleaning up messes and freeing sticky rings.
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Big agree on that. Would love to see any proof Mobil can provide of its effectiveness other than marketing weasel words on the label.