USAF Vet David Grusch Claims

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I truly WANT to believe what this guy says, but common sense is pretty much preventing me from doing so. While I have no idea what these sightings (orbs, saucers, etc.) are, I tend to think they are either our own secret high-tech craft.....or maybe something from China. As for this fellas claims of alien spaceship crashes (several he says), including alien bodies.....well, how can a secret like that be kept? And if these aliens have the technology and ability to travel hundreds of light years through space....why would they just blow it upon arriving at earth and crash? Not only once but several times? I don't know....pretty hard to swallow. Maybe what he says is true though....like I say I honestly want to believe.
Bad spaceship pilots.

Maybe they send less experienced crews to earth for practice landing with gravity ( at secret military sites , at night , with power lines close by ). 🤔
 
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EXACTLY!!!!


Why do all these UFO festivals happen in small town trailer parks??


And seriously people - Do some research. China, Iran, etc., have never reported aliens, UFOs, etc. They have whistle blowers, too.
They don't. They happen all over the world. You just don't hear about them on the MSM.

NASA is now involved.

More data is needed but it's coming....slowly.

A lot of all this is garbage too. It's hoaxes, atmospheric phenomena, military etc. However, the ever-growing number of unexplainable is quite remarkable. Could it all be a giant hoax? Yes. For the longest time I thought it was but I've gone the other way now on this.

My thoughts prior to this were these orbs were something that wouldn't or couldn't "crash". That is odd and I've always wondered that. If they are off-world, they're likely doing what we are doing on Mars by sending probes. They could just be more advanced, by millions of years.

They seem to be interested in our nukes based on some accounts. 🤷‍♂️


https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-announces-unidentified-aerial-phenomena-study-team-members/
 
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You'd be surprised how many have tried to shut it down and not even talk about it within the DOD bc there are Evangelical Christians in high positions of power that won't acknowledge it. They think they're demonic.

Then you have guys like Dr. Greer. That guy is obnoxious. I stopped following him a while ago.

Some of these "observables" are stated to be transmedium and can move through multiple environments with ease - air, water etc.

If it's human technology and sure as hell hope it's ours or we're in trouble. :oops:

https://www.c4isrnet.com/battlefiel...pands-mission-to-include-transmedium-objects/

https://media.defense.gov/2022/Jul/...-THE-ALL-DOMAIN-ANOMALY-RESOLUTION-OFFICE.PDF
 
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In 1965 in Columbia MO several of us military and college students watched bright objects overhead that hovered for hours. It was felt among us that it was some sort of natural occurrence.
People see things all the time and 95% of often explainable.
 
I’ve had the same thoughts.

If they’re advanced and sophisticated enough to get alllll the way here, how could they just crash when they get here, multiple times?

It’s obvious.

They aren’t in the BITOG Universe.

Otherwise, their spacecraft would be using M-1 0w-40 with OCIs every 3-5,000 light years!
 
If there’s a forum where people discuss motor oil I believe there’s likely some other form of life out there, somewhere.

I’m not sure I believe any one person’s account but I do think there’s a strong probability we aren’t the only planet with life. The distances may be vast but maybe there’s some sort of technology that allows them to travel. We’ve come a long way in the last 150 years so I’d think a planet with a 1,000,000 year head start could come up with some pretty cool inventions.
 
These UFO's are interested in us for potential solutions to their own problems. Such as is the OCOD really evidence of a superior media for trapping media lies? Is the thick / thin debate resolved on other solar systems? do oiled cotton fibre filters cause premature propulsion system failure?
 
I've found it tough to believe that some group of beings on another planet trillions of miles away have built something that carries enough fuel to GET to Earth, has proper heat protection to enter the Earth's atmosphere without completely burning up (remember the tiles on the space shuttles?), has proper propulsion/braking mechanisms to land properly (oh wait, they crashed, right?) and then enough fuel, properly sized rocketeering devices, engines, whatever to zoooooom away like no other man-made craft has ever been capable of.

Do any of you people that believe this stuff think about physics and what limitations car makers, NASA and other entities have battled in the last 100 years just trying to move people from point A to B with a blank check?
 
One thing to keep in mind, ground based observations probably have far less validity than those from altitude.

I have more time aloft than god himself, I've seen only meteors (bolides).
 
I've found it tough to believe that some group of beings on another planet trillions of miles away have built something that carries enough fuel to GET to Earth, has proper heat protection to enter the Earth's atmosphere without completely burning up (remember the tiles on the space shuttles?), has proper propulsion/braking mechanisms to land properly (oh wait, they crashed, right?) and then enough fuel, properly sized rocketeering devices, engines, whatever to zoooooom away like no other man-made craft has ever been capable of.

Do any of you people that believe this stuff think about physics and what limitations car makers, NASA and other entities have battled in the last 100 years just trying to move people from point A to B with a blank check?
Of course. Do you believe in a higher power? Do you believe we fully have a grasp on everything? Do you believe consciousness is just a byproduct of a chemical reaction in the brain? Interdimensional? If anything is coming here from somewhere else, they're not using fuel.

NASA is already looking into nuclear propulsion.

If you went back just a measly 200 years and showed someone an iPhone or told someone about an iPhone, they'd look at you like you're crazy. And that's just within 200 years. I mean the Catholic church jailed a guy for claiming the Earth revoles around the sun. Take a civilization that is a million years ahead of us. It's not inconceivable to me.

I fully understand the skeptics. I am skeptical to some extent. One thing though I have noticed among the skeptics, (myself included at the time), is they don't actually take the time to read, and fully understand all the accounts. They're so quick to dismiss it based on our human centric viewpoint. All I'm saying is keep an open mind.

Humans think they have it all figured out. We don't. LOL. Not even close.

If multiple highly trained, mentally stable pilots encounter orbs or craft moving in ways that defy physics, come close to their jets and shoot off into space, are they all lying about it? 🤷‍♂️

As I've said before, it could very well be that EVERYONE over the last 70 years that has seen these things could be just full of ****. It's also possible we are alone. I'm fully aware of that and that is a possibility we must keep open as well.

At the very least, we're now getting it out in the open where it can be studied by scientists.

The most troubling thing about this topic is unfortunately it is loaded with garbage consisting of hoaxes, and just bs that is easily explainable. However that does not negate the truly extraordinary cases out there. We just need more evidence to seal the deal, assuming there is concrete evidence.

The CIA has studied the ramifications it would have on humanity and world's religions. I'm not sure we're ready for that yet. I think many are, but a large chunk of the world is not. If only those humans applied the same level of skepticism to their own deeply held beliefs as they do on this topic....:unsure: My father-in-law (82yr old) is a former Navy guy. Was in the military his entire career. He's a solid guy and devout Catholic. He's been following this UAP phenomena over the last 2 years. First thing he said to me was "Sh$t I may have to rethink my religion." Just saying....there are deep ramifications to this stuff.

We're not talking about dying and meeting 19 virgins in heaven here. We actually have SOME evidence of these things. And that is a fact.

Humans are just a highly evolved primate and we're barely out of the woods on a cosmological timescale.
 
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Since I come across as a 100% believer I'll state where/why I'm also still somewhat skeptical (playing Devil's advocate here)

Physics - distances too far.
No signs of life yet detected.
People are just not reliable sources.
Anecdotal.
Hoaxes.
Secret Military craft as explanation of these things.
Governments are not good at keeping secrets.
 
Hey, millions of people think someone that died 2,000 years ago is coming back so............. 🤪

Well, he did leave a very compelling legacy and teachings which greatly contributed to the current civilization. I would say this great country would not have been the way it is without it.

What did aliens leave us beside fuzzy pictures and sketchy characters saying they’ve seen them, mostly at a great profit to themselves?
 
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