That appears to be the plan, along with driving up the price of gas. Look no further than CAs gas prices, choke someone long enough, and they'll submit or die, or in the case of CA many more will leave the state.
Two Thirds Of New Cars Will Be Electric/Hybrids by 2032
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The problem with this chart is many Americans will be led to believe that over 9% of the cars on the road in the USA are EVs and some might even think 25% cars on the road in CA are EVs.
The chart should be titled "percentage of new car sales" This is where the media drives me crazy, it almost seems like an agenda. But the news story would sound boring if it said "percentage of EVs on USA roads".
If that was the title it would then show CA with 5% instead of a whopping 25%
May sound silly what I am posting but really think about the everyday consumer that doesnt follow this stuff.
Ok, back to the chart, here is the shocker, the chart may leave some to believe is a national average of 9% is EV cars on the road
Currently 1% of cars on the road are Electric Vehicles in the USA.
Im willing to bet many Americans (not in this forum) would think it is much more based on the chart.
Here is an industry publication that it straight forward and refers to SALES percentage. Leaving no doubt and no misunderstanding.
They use the word, "new vehicle sales" and also mention 1% of the cars on the road are EV.
Dont misunderstand me (for others) Im not saying sales are bad but you can expect a leveling off once we reach market penetration for those who can. fit an EV into their lifestyle.
It will be interesting for sure. Im expecting maybe one day 25% on the road but starting to wonder being sales have already started to flatten, how can that be?
What Is the Percentage of Electric Cars in the U.S.? | Edmunds
More than 1 million EVs were sold for the first time last year, but what percentage of all vehicles do they make up on U.S. roads today?
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The topic itself is political.
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At the body shop I worked at, a lot of the techs had hybrid badging on their daily beater ICE vehicles, donated courtesy of multiple Priuses they worked on. One guy had multiple lol.
In my state, people pay a penalty to register hybrids and EVs -- a $75 annual surcharge for a hybrid and a $175 surcharge for an EV. Meanwhile, a Class C RV plate costs $55/yr.
Im sure you know that is to pay for the roads in your state. With gasoline purchases the tax pays for the roads. With EVs they have to find a way to do the same.
I suspect in a decade or two, EVs will be taxed on electric used or reported mileage traveled. But who knows. They will figure it out, right now this is the only fair way, take an annual average of the taxes gasoline tax paid per vehicle and apply that tax to EV registrations.
Of course. But if there's a subsidy out there for driving a hybrid, we haven't seen it. And the vehicles that really beat up the roads are 18-wheel trucks. Rail is much more efficient for freight hauling, but somehow trucking has gained the upper hand over the last half century. Could it be that something other than market forces have had a role in that?
I understand that, I dont know any tax that is fair to everyone, except that EVs need to pay it too and thus us the only current solution. Also EVs weight far more than same size gas vehicles.
As far as 18 wheelers. They pay significantly more in diesel fuel tax than gasoline. On the federal level alone the diesel tax is 25% more than gas and the local and state level if off the wall higher.
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The introduction of JIT is what screwed rail over, along with the cheap fuel prices at the time. Places then enthusiastically, and myopically, ripped up huge swaths of rail infrastructure because of the "trucking revolution". At that point it didn't matter when fuel prices went back up, we'd already gone JIT and we'd already sabotaged rail to make trucking the default "winner".
Our highways and roads were not constructed to handle this amount of truck traffic and so the damage done, even though it should be compensated for through fuel taxes, doesn't seem to actually be properly accounted for in this funding mechanism. And of course increasing fuel taxes would have other impacts.
Of course inflation and higher fuel prices drove up the price of trucking, so then companies started hiring "less qualified" people to drive trucks. You end up with entire families of recent immigrants living in the truck, taking turns driving in order to get established here in the West. These are conditions that Joe Average would never even consider working under, which is why 3rd world types are the only ones who do. Many of them have never even heard of snow let alone driven in it, and then Swift sends them through the Rockies with a fully loaded 53 in a truck with 300HP, mentioning something about safety chains and ice in passing.
If I were a cynic, I'd say that because these trucking companies can't outsource to China or Mexico, they just effectively make the labour conditions such that imports from the 3rd world are the only people that will tolerate them.
Totally believing the hybrid part. EV.... another story based on where you are and local income level.
Didn't Toyota say they will only build hybrid Camry from now on? The mpg difference would be like 1/4 minimum on a hybird. If you drives a lot or you live in a high fuel price nation it just makes sense.
Didn't Toyota say they will only build hybrid Camry from now on? The mpg difference would be like 1/4 minimum on a hybird. If you drives a lot or you live in a high fuel price nation it just makes sense.
Yes, EV1 taught us that.
The USA is divided into several ways. State lines, cheap gasoline vs expensive gasoline etc. States with cheap gasoline are not buying into the EV craze very well. I didn't have to bring politics into it.Its totally wrong to assume each state will follow the lead of the expensive gasoline states. California will reach 2/3 of car sales being EV and and Hybrids before 2023, but that might be it.
A battle waged over who can be more coercive than the other. I wouldn't hold your breath.
I won't be holding my breath, but I will be hoping for a change in November.
Yeah, it's the trade off. The conversation of fairness of cost has come up a few times here, but at the end of the day this is the least intrusive method to charge for it since no tracking is required. I want to pay my road tax to use it just the same as anyone else. I would probably consider other options if electricity wasn't so cheap here. Hybrids get hit for the road tax with tags too at nearly the same level as an EV here which doesn't seem right. They're not off fuel, they're getting 30-50mpg.
Much ado about not much. Suprising how weak this truly is, yet it's being used for gain by many self important parties of people, political and otherwise.Not stirring the pot but that's the ukase from the EPA handed down Wednesday.
Historic crackdown on gas cars will ensure two-thirds of vehicles will be electric, hybrid by 2032 after Biden admin finalizes new rule
The rule comes as sales of electric vehicles, which are needed to meet the standards, have begun to slow.nypost.com
Don't worry, your beloved ICE vehicles will just get a hybrid motor and a very small battery, and life will go on.
Nothing to see here. These aren't the droids that the EV advocates were looking for.
I had an ev. Bought it for the $7500 tax credit. Figured id drive it for a year then sell it and get what i actually wanted.
Didnt work out that way as i lost 40% value in 1yr.
I dont have a problem with an ev but they just arent there yet in my opinion.
Here are a few reasons i believe this.
1.I had a chevy bolt. Max range 250 miles. If you live in the city thats fine. In the country not so much.
2. If you charged it off a regular 110 it took roughly 54hrs to charge. I didnt have access to a 220 to fast charge. Even using fastest charger it still took 30 minutes to hit 80%.
3. My electric bill went up $100 a month
Now you can always get more expensive evs that charge faster but then $$.
How many people live in apartments etc that cant charge at home?
You cant fill your battery to 100% if you want it to last.
You lose about 50% range in the cold.
When i traded mine in waze said it should take me 4.5hrs. It took 6 with the charging....
Just my 2 cents
Didnt work out that way as i lost 40% value in 1yr.
I dont have a problem with an ev but they just arent there yet in my opinion.
Here are a few reasons i believe this.
1.I had a chevy bolt. Max range 250 miles. If you live in the city thats fine. In the country not so much.
2. If you charged it off a regular 110 it took roughly 54hrs to charge. I didnt have access to a 220 to fast charge. Even using fastest charger it still took 30 minutes to hit 80%.
3. My electric bill went up $100 a month
Now you can always get more expensive evs that charge faster but then $$.
How many people live in apartments etc that cant charge at home?
You cant fill your battery to 100% if you want it to last.
You lose about 50% range in the cold.
When i traded mine in waze said it should take me 4.5hrs. It took 6 with the charging....
Just my 2 cents
The 1st question I ask perspective EV buyers is, "How ya gonna charge." The #1 reason people go back to ICE is charging issues.
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