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Toyotas Migration to 0w-20
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Come on - people have learned NOT to think with their dipsticks. Are you trying to relearn us?
I think engine cleanliness alone will pay off for Toyota. Or people won't change the oil because it's too expensive. Sorry couldn't resist.
I think engine cleanliness alone will pay off for Toyota. Or people won't change the oil because it's too expensive. Sorry couldn't resist.
I want to know what happens when Mr. Cheap drives his new 2011 Corolla down to Jiffy Lube for the first time and they tell him it'll be $70.00 for an oil change...I hope they have 911 on speed-dial.
Now THAT is funny!!
Toyota Dealer destroyed our 05 rav 4 putting in 5w-20. Was running MAGNIFICENT until the OC. Soon, You wont be able to drive around back of the service bay with all the junk engines piled up there.
#1 most important factor in lubrication - RUNNING TEMP VISCOSITY.
Ford can design a good 20wt motor I hope Toyota learns soon. All that piston slap and rod rap gives me a headache!
#1 most important factor in lubrication - RUNNING TEMP VISCOSITY.
Ford can design a good 20wt motor I hope Toyota learns soon. All that piston slap and rod rap gives me a headache!
Dealers like to reduce inventory and will push a 20 wt even when it is not factory recommended. If my owners manual says 5w/10w30 then I will only change to something else IF the factor publishes a written TSB or statement saying so. Service writers at dealerships are not the last word in correct maintenance or lubracation.
Originally Posted By: Eddie
Dealers like to reduce inventory and will push a 20 wt even when it is not factory recommended. If my owners manual says 5w/10w30 then I will only change to something else IF the factor publishes a written TSB or statement saying so. Service writers at dealerships are not the last word in correct maintenance or lubracation.
I agree Eddie. If a TSB states to make a change to a different grade oil I suggest printing it, then file it so if there is an issue you can find it. Then hope if you have the dealer change the oil they use the correct oil, and not provide a B-S lip service.
Dealers like to reduce inventory and will push a 20 wt even when it is not factory recommended. If my owners manual says 5w/10w30 then I will only change to something else IF the factor publishes a written TSB or statement saying so. Service writers at dealerships are not the last word in correct maintenance or lubracation.
I agree Eddie. If a TSB states to make a change to a different grade oil I suggest printing it, then file it so if there is an issue you can find it. Then hope if you have the dealer change the oil they use the correct oil, and not provide a B-S lip service.
Originally Posted By: Eddie
Dealers like to reduce inventory and will push a 20 wt even when it is not factory recommended. If my owners manual says 5w/10w30 then I will only change to something else IF the factor publishes a written TSB or statement saying so. Service writers at dealerships are not the last word in correct maintenance or lubracation.
The local Honda dealer stocks xw-30/20w-50 for pre-2000s cars, 5w-20 for non-hybrids, and 0w-20 for hybrids.
Dealers like to reduce inventory and will push a 20 wt even when it is not factory recommended. If my owners manual says 5w/10w30 then I will only change to something else IF the factor publishes a written TSB or statement saying so. Service writers at dealerships are not the last word in correct maintenance or lubracation.
The local Honda dealer stocks xw-30/20w-50 for pre-2000s cars, 5w-20 for non-hybrids, and 0w-20 for hybrids.
If I were going to run a 20wt, emphasis on the "if", I would run a 0w-20 instead of a 5w-20 and take advantage of the imperceptable increase in mileage.....seriously. Supposedly it has to be made of a good base oil to get the 0w rating so I don't see a problem with it over a 5w-20 with a lesser base oil.
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Toyota Dealer destroyed our 05 rav 4 putting in 5w-20. Was running MAGNIFICENT until the OC. Soon, You wont be able to drive around back of the service bay with all the junk engines piled up there.
#1 most important factor in lubrication - RUNNING TEMP VISCOSITY.
Ford can design a good 20wt motor I hope Toyota learns soon. All that piston slap and rod rap gives me a headache!
What, you mean just like the giant piles of wrecked engines we're now seeing at all the Ford and Honda dealerships. . .
Now, with that somewhat sarcastic remark aside, think about this: I think the engine to watch here is the 2GR-FE, the currently used 3.5L V-6. Unlike the I-4s, which only appear in lighter vehicles, and the V-8s, which only appear in the heavies, the 2GR lives in both worlds. It appears that Toyota is well aware of the running temp/vis issue. You will notice that in the lighter vehicles that get this engine (the Camry and Avalon for the most part), Toyota specs a 20 wt oil. By contrast, when they install the same engine in a heavier vehicle (Sienna and Highlander), they spec a 5w30 oil.
Hey, there's nothing nefarious going on here. Toyota is making a rational call about what's best in any particular application. I'm not seeing a problem here.
Toyota Dealer destroyed our 05 rav 4 putting in 5w-20. Was running MAGNIFICENT until the OC. Soon, You wont be able to drive around back of the service bay with all the junk engines piled up there.
#1 most important factor in lubrication - RUNNING TEMP VISCOSITY.
Ford can design a good 20wt motor I hope Toyota learns soon. All that piston slap and rod rap gives me a headache!
What, you mean just like the giant piles of wrecked engines we're now seeing at all the Ford and Honda dealerships. . .
Now, with that somewhat sarcastic remark aside, think about this: I think the engine to watch here is the 2GR-FE, the currently used 3.5L V-6. Unlike the I-4s, which only appear in lighter vehicles, and the V-8s, which only appear in the heavies, the 2GR lives in both worlds. It appears that Toyota is well aware of the running temp/vis issue. You will notice that in the lighter vehicles that get this engine (the Camry and Avalon for the most part), Toyota specs a 20 wt oil. By contrast, when they install the same engine in a heavier vehicle (Sienna and Highlander), they spec a 5w30 oil.
Hey, there's nothing nefarious going on here. Toyota is making a rational call about what's best in any particular application. I'm not seeing a problem here.
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Now, with that somewhat sarcastic remark aside, think about this: I think the engine to watch here is the 2GR-FE, the currently used 3.5L V-6. Unlike the I-4s, which only appear in lighter vehicles, and the V-8s, which only appear in the heavies, the 2GR lives in both worlds. It appears that Toyota is well aware of the running temp/vis issue. You will notice that in the lighter vehicles that get this engine (the Camry and Avalon for the most part), Toyota specs a 20 wt oil. By contrast, when they install the same engine in a heavier vehicle (Sienna and Highlander), they spec a 5w30 oil.
Hey, there's nothing nefarious going on here. Toyota is making a rational call about what's best in any particular application. I'm not seeing a problem here.
I can agree here with you. I see that old dog CAN learn new tricks.
Now, with that somewhat sarcastic remark aside, think about this: I think the engine to watch here is the 2GR-FE, the currently used 3.5L V-6. Unlike the I-4s, which only appear in lighter vehicles, and the V-8s, which only appear in the heavies, the 2GR lives in both worlds. It appears that Toyota is well aware of the running temp/vis issue. You will notice that in the lighter vehicles that get this engine (the Camry and Avalon for the most part), Toyota specs a 20 wt oil. By contrast, when they install the same engine in a heavier vehicle (Sienna and Highlander), they spec a 5w30 oil.
Hey, there's nothing nefarious going on here. Toyota is making a rational call about what's best in any particular application. I'm not seeing a problem here.
I can agree here with you. I see that old dog CAN learn new tricks.
Originally Posted By: BuickGN
If I were going to run a 20wt, emphasis on the "if", I would run a 0w-20 instead of a 5w-20 and take advantage of the imperceptable increase in mileage.....seriously. Supposedly it has to be made of a good base oil to get the 0w rating so I don't see a problem with it over a 5w-20 with a lesser base oil.
Just fell out of my chair, dusted myself off, and I'm back in front of the computer -- we agree on something!
I really don't see a reason to use 5w-20 over a 0w, UNLESS your personal priorities elevate price over anything else. For those who are on an unbendably tight budget, it's very hard to argue against MC 5w-20, which has repeatedly proven itself to be a very strong oil. Beyond that constraint, I'd take either M1 or Pennzoil Platinum 0w20 any day -- why not get the superior low temp performance with the strong hot performance too?
If I were going to run a 20wt, emphasis on the "if", I would run a 0w-20 instead of a 5w-20 and take advantage of the imperceptable increase in mileage.....seriously. Supposedly it has to be made of a good base oil to get the 0w rating so I don't see a problem with it over a 5w-20 with a lesser base oil.
Just fell out of my chair, dusted myself off, and I'm back in front of the computer -- we agree on something!
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
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I can agree here with you. I see that old dog CAN learn new tricks.
Whoa there -- who's the old dog -- you, me, or Toyota? Hey, I'm still floatin' on Cloud-9. Last night, preparing for a big court date this morning, I ran into one of my colleagues at the county jail, both of us there to see clients set for today. While waiting for our "guests" to be brought out, my colleague says to me, "you're what -- about 35?". I replied, "no Fred, I'm 48, and soon to turn 49." After a good pause (this white-haired character, is several years younger than I), he asked, "what vitamins to YOU take?"
Sorry, but neither I, nor my vanity, will allow me to be cast as the "old dog". Not just yet anyway. . .
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I can agree here with you. I see that old dog CAN learn new tricks.
Whoa there -- who's the old dog -- you, me, or Toyota? Hey, I'm still floatin' on Cloud-9. Last night, preparing for a big court date this morning, I ran into one of my colleagues at the county jail, both of us there to see clients set for today. While waiting for our "guests" to be brought out, my colleague says to me, "you're what -- about 35?". I replied, "no Fred, I'm 48, and soon to turn 49." After a good pause (this white-haired character, is several years younger than I), he asked, "what vitamins to YOU take?"
Sorry, but neither I, nor my vanity, will allow me to be cast as the "old dog". Not just yet anyway. . .
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Toyota Dealer destroyed our 05 rav 4 putting in 5w-20. Was running MAGNIFICENT until the OC. Soon, You wont be able to drive around back of the service bay with all the junk engines piled up there.
#1 most important factor in lubrication - RUNNING TEMP VISCOSITY.
Ford can design a good 20wt motor I hope Toyota learns soon. All that piston slap and rod rap gives me a headache!
I don't know what engine is in your Rav-4 but I have left over Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20 from my Civic that I need to use up and it's going into a 04 Camry with the 2az-fe. I just use a bigger filter and increased the oil capacity by .5qt. I don't even think this car was back speced for a 20 weight. Car is still running fine after 7k on 5w-20 so far. I have enough to last a few oil changes. I'll see if I want to stick with a 20 weight or go back to a 30 weight.
Reading a post by AEHaas about running his Enzo on a 20 weight was interesting too.
Toyota Dealer destroyed our 05 rav 4 putting in 5w-20. Was running MAGNIFICENT until the OC. Soon, You wont be able to drive around back of the service bay with all the junk engines piled up there.
#1 most important factor in lubrication - RUNNING TEMP VISCOSITY.
Ford can design a good 20wt motor I hope Toyota learns soon. All that piston slap and rod rap gives me a headache!
I don't know what engine is in your Rav-4 but I have left over Pennzoil Platinum 5w-20 from my Civic that I need to use up and it's going into a 04 Camry with the 2az-fe. I just use a bigger filter and increased the oil capacity by .5qt. I don't even think this car was back speced for a 20 weight. Car is still running fine after 7k on 5w-20 so far. I have enough to last a few oil changes. I'll see if I want to stick with a 20 weight or go back to a 30 weight.
Reading a post by AEHaas about running his Enzo on a 20 weight was interesting too.
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
. . . think about this: I think the engine to watch here is the 2GR-FE, the currently used 3.5L V-6. Unlike the I-4s, which only appear in lighter vehicles, and the V-8s, which only appear in the heavies, the 2GR lives in both worlds. It appears that Toyota is well aware of the running temp/vis issue. You will notice that in the lighter vehicles that get this engine (the Camry and Avalon for the most part), Toyota specs a 20 wt oil. By contrast, when they install the same engine in a heavier vehicle (Sienna and Highlander), they spec a 5w30 oil. [Emphasis added.]
Hey, there's nothing nefarious going on here. Toyota is making a rational call about what's best in any particular application. I'm not seeing a problem here. . . .
Really, you don't see a problem here? An engine manufacturer specifies two different weight oils for the same engine based upon the weight of the vehicles involved? (I, personally, think there's more involved here than just the vehicles' weight; I think Toyota is also taking into account how the vehicles will likely be used.) In either case, it hasn't occurred to you that Toyota is deliberately cutting it close to the edge to eke out a fleetwide mpg?
And, more to the point, if we know the manufacturer specifies a heavier weight oil for the more arduous applications involving the same engine, why in the world wouldn't an insight Camry owner opt for the additional temp/vis protection Toyota clearly envisions for the Sienna/Highlanders guys?
. . . think about this: I think the engine to watch here is the 2GR-FE, the currently used 3.5L V-6. Unlike the I-4s, which only appear in lighter vehicles, and the V-8s, which only appear in the heavies, the 2GR lives in both worlds. It appears that Toyota is well aware of the running temp/vis issue. You will notice that in the lighter vehicles that get this engine (the Camry and Avalon for the most part), Toyota specs a 20 wt oil. By contrast, when they install the same engine in a heavier vehicle (Sienna and Highlander), they spec a 5w30 oil. [Emphasis added.]
Hey, there's nothing nefarious going on here. Toyota is making a rational call about what's best in any particular application. I'm not seeing a problem here. . . .
Really, you don't see a problem here? An engine manufacturer specifies two different weight oils for the same engine based upon the weight of the vehicles involved? (I, personally, think there's more involved here than just the vehicles' weight; I think Toyota is also taking into account how the vehicles will likely be used.) In either case, it hasn't occurred to you that Toyota is deliberately cutting it close to the edge to eke out a fleetwide mpg?
And, more to the point, if we know the manufacturer specifies a heavier weight oil for the more arduous applications involving the same engine, why in the world wouldn't an insight Camry owner opt for the additional temp/vis protection Toyota clearly envisions for the Sienna/Highlanders guys?
Originally Posted By: Gurney
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
. . . think about this: I think the engine to watch here is the 2GR-FE, the currently used 3.5L V-6. Unlike the I-4s, which only appear in lighter vehicles, and the V-8s, which only appear in the heavies, the 2GR lives in both worlds. It appears that Toyota is well aware of the running temp/vis issue. You will notice that in the lighter vehicles that get this engine (the Camry and Avalon for the most part), Toyota specs a 20 wt oil. By contrast, when they install the same engine in a heavier vehicle (Sienna and Highlander), they spec a 5w30 oil. [Emphasis added.]
Hey, there's nothing nefarious going on here. Toyota is making a rational call about what's best in any particular application. I'm not seeing a problem here. . . .
Really, you don't see a problem here? An engine manufacturer specifies two different weight oils for the same engine based upon the weight of the vehicles involved? (I, personally, think there's more involved here than just the vehicles' weight; I think Toyota is also taking into account how the vehicles will likely be used.) In either case, it hasn't occurred to you that Toyota is deliberately cutting it close to the edge to eke out a fleetwide mpg?
And, more to the point, if we know the manufacturer specifies a heavier weight oil for the more arduous applications involving the same engine, why in the world wouldn't an insight Camry owner opt for the additional temp/vis protection Toyota clearly envisions for the Sienna/Highlanders guys?
Well put and fully agreed, Gurney. My wrecked engine was a 2azfe. The racket on 5w-20 would make a navisar blush. Engine noise was marginal on the 5w30 as it was.
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
. . . think about this: I think the engine to watch here is the 2GR-FE, the currently used 3.5L V-6. Unlike the I-4s, which only appear in lighter vehicles, and the V-8s, which only appear in the heavies, the 2GR lives in both worlds. It appears that Toyota is well aware of the running temp/vis issue. You will notice that in the lighter vehicles that get this engine (the Camry and Avalon for the most part), Toyota specs a 20 wt oil. By contrast, when they install the same engine in a heavier vehicle (Sienna and Highlander), they spec a 5w30 oil. [Emphasis added.]
Hey, there's nothing nefarious going on here. Toyota is making a rational call about what's best in any particular application. I'm not seeing a problem here. . . .
Really, you don't see a problem here? An engine manufacturer specifies two different weight oils for the same engine based upon the weight of the vehicles involved? (I, personally, think there's more involved here than just the vehicles' weight; I think Toyota is also taking into account how the vehicles will likely be used.) In either case, it hasn't occurred to you that Toyota is deliberately cutting it close to the edge to eke out a fleetwide mpg?
And, more to the point, if we know the manufacturer specifies a heavier weight oil for the more arduous applications involving the same engine, why in the world wouldn't an insight Camry owner opt for the additional temp/vis protection Toyota clearly envisions for the Sienna/Highlanders guys?
Well put and fully agreed, Gurney. My wrecked engine was a 2azfe. The racket on 5w-20 would make a navisar blush. Engine noise was marginal on the 5w30 as it was.
Originally Posted By: Gurney
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
. . . think about this: I think the engine to watch here is the 2GR-FE, the currently used 3.5L V-6. Unlike the I-4s, which only appear in lighter vehicles, and the V-8s, which only appear in the heavies, the 2GR lives in both worlds. It appears that Toyota is well aware of the running temp/vis issue. You will notice that in the lighter vehicles that get this engine (the Camry and Avalon for the most part), Toyota specs a 20 wt oil. By contrast, when they install the same engine in a heavier vehicle (Sienna and Highlander), they spec a 5w30 oil. [Emphasis added.]
Hey, there's nothing nefarious going on here. Toyota is making a rational call about what's best in any particular application. I'm not seeing a problem here. . . .
Really, you don't see a problem here? An engine manufacturer specifies two different weight oils for the same engine based upon the weight of the vehicles involved? (I, personally, think there's more involved here than just the vehicles' weight; I think Toyota is also taking into account how the vehicles will likely be used.) In either case, it hasn't occurred to you that Toyota is deliberately cutting it close to the edge to eke out a fleetwide mpg?
And, more to the point, if we know the manufacturer specifies a heavier weight oil for the more arduous applications involving the same engine, why in the world wouldn't an insight Camry owner opt for the additional temp/vis protection Toyota clearly envisions for the Sienna/Highlanders guys?
I just checked and this is not correct info. See for yourself:
2010 Camry Manual
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
. . . think about this: I think the engine to watch here is the 2GR-FE, the currently used 3.5L V-6. Unlike the I-4s, which only appear in lighter vehicles, and the V-8s, which only appear in the heavies, the 2GR lives in both worlds. It appears that Toyota is well aware of the running temp/vis issue. You will notice that in the lighter vehicles that get this engine (the Camry and Avalon for the most part), Toyota specs a 20 wt oil. By contrast, when they install the same engine in a heavier vehicle (Sienna and Highlander), they spec a 5w30 oil. [Emphasis added.]
Hey, there's nothing nefarious going on here. Toyota is making a rational call about what's best in any particular application. I'm not seeing a problem here. . . .
Really, you don't see a problem here? An engine manufacturer specifies two different weight oils for the same engine based upon the weight of the vehicles involved? (I, personally, think there's more involved here than just the vehicles' weight; I think Toyota is also taking into account how the vehicles will likely be used.) In either case, it hasn't occurred to you that Toyota is deliberately cutting it close to the edge to eke out a fleetwide mpg?
And, more to the point, if we know the manufacturer specifies a heavier weight oil for the more arduous applications involving the same engine, why in the world wouldn't an insight Camry owner opt for the additional temp/vis protection Toyota clearly envisions for the Sienna/Highlanders guys?
I just checked and this is not correct info. See for yourself:
2010 Camry Manual
Originally Posted By: Gurney
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
. . . think about this: I think the engine to watch here is the 2GR-FE, the currently used 3.5L V-6. Unlike the I-4s, which only appear in lighter vehicles, and the V-8s, which only appear in the heavies, the 2GR lives in both worlds. It appears that Toyota is well aware of the running temp/vis issue. You will notice that in the lighter vehicles that get this engine (the Camry and Avalon for the most part), Toyota specs a 20 wt oil. By contrast, when they install the same engine in a heavier vehicle (Sienna and Highlander), they spec a 5w30 oil. [Emphasis added.]
Hey, there's nothing nefarious going on here. Toyota is making a rational call about what's best in any particular application. I'm not seeing a problem here. . . .
Really, you don't see a problem here? An engine manufacturer specifies two different weight oils for the same engine based upon the weight of the vehicles involved? (I, personally, think there's more involved here than just the vehicles' weight; I think Toyota is also taking into account how the vehicles will likely be used.) In either case, it hasn't occurred to you that Toyota is deliberately cutting it close to the edge to eke out a fleetwide mpg?
And, more to the point, if we know the manufacturer specifies a heavier weight oil for the more arduous applications involving the same engine, why in the world wouldn't an insight Camry owner opt for the additional temp/vis protection Toyota clearly envisions for the Sienna/Highlanders guys?
I actually agree with both of you even though you're disagreeing with one another.
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
. . . think about this: I think the engine to watch here is the 2GR-FE, the currently used 3.5L V-6. Unlike the I-4s, which only appear in lighter vehicles, and the V-8s, which only appear in the heavies, the 2GR lives in both worlds. It appears that Toyota is well aware of the running temp/vis issue. You will notice that in the lighter vehicles that get this engine (the Camry and Avalon for the most part), Toyota specs a 20 wt oil. By contrast, when they install the same engine in a heavier vehicle (Sienna and Highlander), they spec a 5w30 oil. [Emphasis added.]
Hey, there's nothing nefarious going on here. Toyota is making a rational call about what's best in any particular application. I'm not seeing a problem here. . . .
Really, you don't see a problem here? An engine manufacturer specifies two different weight oils for the same engine based upon the weight of the vehicles involved? (I, personally, think there's more involved here than just the vehicles' weight; I think Toyota is also taking into account how the vehicles will likely be used.) In either case, it hasn't occurred to you that Toyota is deliberately cutting it close to the edge to eke out a fleetwide mpg?
And, more to the point, if we know the manufacturer specifies a heavier weight oil for the more arduous applications involving the same engine, why in the world wouldn't an insight Camry owner opt for the additional temp/vis protection Toyota clearly envisions for the Sienna/Highlanders guys?
I actually agree with both of you even though you're disagreeing with one another.
Originally Posted By: Gurney
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Really, you don't see a problem here? An engine manufacturer specifies two different weight oils for the same engine based upon the weight of the vehicles involved? (I, personally, think there's more involved here than just the vehicles' weight; I think Toyota is also taking into account how the vehicles will likely be used.) In either case, it hasn't occurred to you that Toyota is deliberately cutting it close to the edge to eke out a fleetwide mpg?
And, more to the point, if we know the manufacturer specifies a heavier weight oil for the more arduous applications involving the same engine, why in the world wouldn't an insight Camry owner opt for the additional temp/vis protection Toyota clearly envisions for the Sienna/Highlanders guys?
Nope, I don't see a problem at all. Is it not ironic that many "heavy oil" guys justify their choice of heavy oil upon specific more demanding than normal situations, such as towing, high-speed, and so forth. Well, obviously, that implies that if you're not moving heavy weight, and so forth, if your oil is actually less challenged, no need to for thicker stuff. If you're not heating the oil up more than normal, no need for thicker stuff.
Arco, we've been trough this before. I don't know what you're doing to those engines, but obviously HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS (if not millions) of other users are having NO PROBLEMS on thinner oils. Please feel free to point us to the legions of failed 2AZ engines. Your one data point is just that -- one data point. And one that I strongly suspect does not coincide with the experience of the vast majority of the rest of us.
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Really, you don't see a problem here? An engine manufacturer specifies two different weight oils for the same engine based upon the weight of the vehicles involved? (I, personally, think there's more involved here than just the vehicles' weight; I think Toyota is also taking into account how the vehicles will likely be used.) In either case, it hasn't occurred to you that Toyota is deliberately cutting it close to the edge to eke out a fleetwide mpg?
And, more to the point, if we know the manufacturer specifies a heavier weight oil for the more arduous applications involving the same engine, why in the world wouldn't an insight Camry owner opt for the additional temp/vis protection Toyota clearly envisions for the Sienna/Highlanders guys?
Nope, I don't see a problem at all. Is it not ironic that many "heavy oil" guys justify their choice of heavy oil upon specific more demanding than normal situations, such as towing, high-speed, and so forth. Well, obviously, that implies that if you're not moving heavy weight, and so forth, if your oil is actually less challenged, no need to for thicker stuff. If you're not heating the oil up more than normal, no need for thicker stuff.
Arco, we've been trough this before. I don't know what you're doing to those engines, but obviously HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS (if not millions) of other users are having NO PROBLEMS on thinner oils. Please feel free to point us to the legions of failed 2AZ engines. Your one data point is just that -- one data point. And one that I strongly suspect does not coincide with the experience of the vast majority of the rest of us.
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
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I just checked and this is not correct info. See for yourself:
2010 Camry Manual
I'm afraid we're all just going to have to take our seats on this one and wait for Toyota to get its head out of its derriere. I just went on to Toyota TIS (Tech Info System, the on-line manuals) and found a glaring discrepancy. For the 2010 Camry V-6, they are indeed recommending only 5w30. But when you go to the same document (Engine\Lube\Oil Replacement) for the 2010 Avalon, which is slightly heavier, and has the exact same engine, they recommend both 5w30 and 10w30, and you guessed it 0w-20 (oddly, no mention of 5w-20 for either one. . .).
Maybe they're doing this on purpose, and just enjoying watching all of us beat each other to a pulp arguing the merits, when it appears that the people who actually designed and made the engine can't even agree upon which oil is right!
. . .
I just checked and this is not correct info. See for yourself:
2010 Camry Manual
I'm afraid we're all just going to have to take our seats on this one and wait for Toyota to get its head out of its derriere. I just went on to Toyota TIS (Tech Info System, the on-line manuals) and found a glaring discrepancy. For the 2010 Camry V-6, they are indeed recommending only 5w30. But when you go to the same document (Engine\Lube\Oil Replacement) for the 2010 Avalon, which is slightly heavier, and has the exact same engine, they recommend both 5w30 and 10w30, and you guessed it 0w-20 (oddly, no mention of 5w-20 for either one. . .).
Maybe they're doing this on purpose, and just enjoying watching all of us beat each other to a pulp arguing the merits, when it appears that the people who actually designed and made the engine can't even agree upon which oil is right!
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