New Toyota 2.5L Engine Requires 0w-20
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Originally Posted By: buster
I think you'll start to see more 0w20's with GF-5. A 0w20 can be made with Grp III. Most GF5 oils are going to be GrpIII/Pao blends. I suppose most will end up receiving 5w20 until 0w20's are more common. I don't like Toyota's language pushing 0w20. It does not matter.
Mobil released the first 0w20 oil back in 2001. 9 years later Toyota is now calling for it.
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To add to the above about more 0w20 with GF-5
I thought I would share what was presented at the 2009 SAE world congress lubrication open forum discussion. The presenter from Honda indicated that they would change the recommended weight from 5w20 to 0w20 to all of their engines from 2001 and newer sometime later this year. The exception is the turbo rdx motor that requires the special 5w30. The presentation went on to say that Honda USA expected the choice and availibilty of 0w20 weight oils to ramp up dramatically towards the end of 2009 and into 2010. He also went on to say that all of these engines were initially spec'd for 0w20 use, except that its availibility was very limited in NA.
All that being said, I think 0w20 will become more common place at the local Walmart, PB, (or CT if your from Canada.) I would imagine with greater selection the price per quart would be more affordable for those that don't want a high end synthetic.
I think you'll start to see more 0w20's with GF-5. A 0w20 can be made with Grp III. Most GF5 oils are going to be GrpIII/Pao blends. I suppose most will end up receiving 5w20 until 0w20's are more common. I don't like Toyota's language pushing 0w20. It does not matter.
Mobil released the first 0w20 oil back in 2001. 9 years later Toyota is now calling for it.
Hey Guys,
To add to the above about more 0w20 with GF-5
I thought I would share what was presented at the 2009 SAE world congress lubrication open forum discussion. The presenter from Honda indicated that they would change the recommended weight from 5w20 to 0w20 to all of their engines from 2001 and newer sometime later this year. The exception is the turbo rdx motor that requires the special 5w30. The presentation went on to say that Honda USA expected the choice and availibilty of 0w20 weight oils to ramp up dramatically towards the end of 2009 and into 2010. He also went on to say that all of these engines were initially spec'd for 0w20 use, except that its availibility was very limited in NA.
All that being said, I think 0w20 will become more common place at the local Walmart, PB, (or CT if your from Canada.) I would imagine with greater selection the price per quart would be more affordable for those that don't want a high end synthetic.
Maybe Pennzoil will wake up and get their 0W20 on the shelves, soon!
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.but it may be a factory requirement FOR the dealer. Just like ATF and other fluids were for Honda (heck, add to the list). While synthetic 5w-20 is widely available. 0w-20 is in limited availability.
True, but I doubt the dealer is Toyota's motivation for this (even though there is a Toyota branded 0W-20 Group III which the dealer would conveniently stock)
.but it may be a factory requirement FOR the dealer. Just like ATF and other fluids were for Honda (heck, add to the list). While synthetic 5w-20 is widely available. 0w-20 is in limited availability.
True, but I doubt the dealer is Toyota's motivation for this (even though there is a Toyota branded 0W-20 Group III which the dealer would conveniently stock)
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I'm not so sure. The distinctions between the two oil grades is negligible for the vast majority of users. That is, a 5w-20 synthetic isn't going to offer any real advantage on CAFE certs since none of the tests that I'm aware of take place in anything we would consider a cold start (the last time I read what they defined as a cold start) ...hence it would reason that the mere spec'ing of a synthetic would suffice ..but ..nope..it will be a 0w-20.
"If SAE 0W-20 is not available, SAE 5W-20 oil may be used. However, it must be replaced with SAE 0W-20 at the next oil change."
So you could switch back and forth over and over...
So you could switch back and forth over and over...
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just wait a while to see what australian dealers put in this new engine from 2010. I can guarantee you they will be using 5w30 and 10w30
Exactly. All those details are from the North American owners manual, everywhere else in the world will have 30wts and probably more listed.
I'd be shocked if your local dealership even had 0w20 in stock.
just wait a while to see what australian dealers put in this new engine from 2010. I can guarantee you they will be using 5w30 and 10w30
Exactly. All those details are from the North American owners manual, everywhere else in the world will have 30wts and probably more listed.
I'd be shocked if your local dealership even had 0w20 in stock.
I find it odd that 5W20 was approved for the 3.5 V-6 (TSB in 2006) but 0W20 is not. My dealer recommends 5W20 in the winter and 5W30 in the summer
. The owner's manual specifically says 5W30 with no mention of any 20 weight so??????? The oil fill cap says 5W30 SL and the vehicle is a 2008 so SM is what's on the shelves. What a screwy confusing way to do things!
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Unfortunately, the new 2.5L engine (2AR-FE) requires the usage of 0w-20 synthetic oil. Thoughts?
I'm not at all surprised that a major manufacturer is requiring a thin oil.
What surprises me is that nobody has yet to jump in here and say that you can't use synthetic until the engine is broke in at X amount of miles. Are the nathsayers slowly changing their mentality?
Unfortunately, the new 2.5L engine (2AR-FE) requires the usage of 0w-20 synthetic oil. Thoughts?
I'm not at all surprised that a major manufacturer is requiring a thin oil.
What surprises me is that nobody has yet to jump in here and say that you can't use synthetic until the engine is broke in at X amount of miles. Are the nathsayers slowly changing their mentality?
Use Pennzoil Platinum 5w20 in that engine and forget about it. No one will ever know the difference.
Great, now if I can get it to be the preferred oil for my new Sienna then I can use 0W20 it in that under warranty!
I have used nothing except Mobil 1 0W20 for the last 250 k miles in both our commuter car and our extreme use tow vehicle (500,000 miles total) and both motors continue to perform like new. The cost of conventional motor oil has become much closer to synthetic price over the years, so the cost penalty is small.
I agree the 5K oci is too short, I have been using 20K with great success.
Currrently Mobil 1 0W20 is 26 bucks for 5 qt jugs, and a $10 rebate makes it 16 bucks. I would be happy with the Pennzoil 0W20 synthetic also, anyone ever see any good deals on it???
I have used nothing except Mobil 1 0W20 for the last 250 k miles in both our commuter car and our extreme use tow vehicle (500,000 miles total) and both motors continue to perform like new. The cost of conventional motor oil has become much closer to synthetic price over the years, so the cost penalty is small.
I agree the 5K oci is too short, I have been using 20K with great success.
Currrently Mobil 1 0W20 is 26 bucks for 5 qt jugs, and a $10 rebate makes it 16 bucks. I would be happy with the Pennzoil 0W20 synthetic also, anyone ever see any good deals on it???
LOL @ toyota for requiring synthetic in that motor. I can understand if this was a GM LS3 v8 (which I think it does require synthetic) but c'mon this is an ecomomy motor that makes less than 200 hp.
My 2az-fe has done just fine on 5w-20 YB 5k OCI for 20k miles. I seriously doubt this new motor would have any issues using conventional oil.
My 2az-fe has done just fine on 5w-20 YB 5k OCI for 20k miles. I seriously doubt this new motor would have any issues using conventional oil.
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I'm not at all surprised that a major manufacturer is requiring a thin oil.
I don't think anyone is. If there's any surprise, it's with an Asian based auto manufacturer specifically spec'ing a synthetic and excluding conventional oils from the recommendations. This is a first for them.
I'm not at all surprised that a major manufacturer is requiring a thin oil.
I don't think anyone is. If there's any surprise, it's with an Asian based auto manufacturer specifically spec'ing a synthetic and excluding conventional oils from the recommendations. This is a first for them.
A_A_G Toyota isn't requiring synthetic. Any 5w20 conventional will be fine. I'm sure most dealers will use just that. And there's nothing wrong with that.
The push for 0w-20 is a pretty progressive move for Toyota. I'm not sure about the 5000 mile OCI, though, seems pretty lame.
Again, nothing requires a synthetic. It's just that there aren't any 0w-20's on conventional now. But 5w-20 is also recommended for this engine, and readily avilable in all flavors.
The push for 0w-20 is a pretty progressive move for Toyota. I'm not sure about the 5000 mile OCI, though, seems pretty lame.
Again, nothing requires a synthetic. It's just that there aren't any 0w-20's on conventional now. But 5w-20 is also recommended for this engine, and readily avilable in all flavors.
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IMO, the presumably proprietary + expensive filter bugs me more than the oil spec. I think the OP's number are a little high. Why use $9/qt Amsoil as the standard?? Decent syn is not that much more expensive than dino.
What's with the insistence on 0W-20? Will the tar-like
5W-20 somehow frag the engine? At the moment, 0w-20 may force use of syn oil, but this will likely change. 0W has to be MPG related, right? And how much improvement will it offer, 0.05 MPG? Toyota would be much better off giving new owners a 1 hour course in basic fuel efficient driving; not the hard core hypermiler stuff, just the basics of anticipating lights and traffic.
Like most of you, I'm REAL curious what the Australian, German, Kuwaiti, etc. owner's manuals specify. I can't imagine Toyota building an engine that will actually be damaged by any xW-30 or xW-40 oil. Also, It seem unlikely that Toy has two engine designs; one 20W-only for the US market and one for the rest of the world. That would contradict their 'lean manufacturing' ethos.
What's with the insistence on 0W-20? Will the tar-like
Like most of you, I'm REAL curious what the Australian, German, Kuwaiti, etc. owner's manuals specify. I can't imagine Toyota building an engine that will actually be damaged by any xW-30 or xW-40 oil. Also, It seem unlikely that Toy has two engine designs; one 20W-only for the US market and one for the rest of the world. That would contradict their 'lean manufacturing' ethos.
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Originally Posted By: wannafbody
Do you really think that Toyota is going to do a used oil analysis on any vehicle to find the viscosity in the engine should there be a warranty issue? Run any 0W20 or 5W20 without worry.
Do you really think if there is a warranty issue that Toyota isn't gonna check for receipts for what oil was used?
Do you really think that Toyota is going to do a used oil analysis on any vehicle to find the viscosity in the engine should there be a warranty issue? Run any 0W20 or 5W20 without worry.
Do you really think if there is a warranty issue that Toyota isn't gonna check for receipts for what oil was used?
Funny thing about warranty issues is this: It all boils down to cost. Have an oil related warranty issue that requires they swing an engine. I am willing to bet Toyota, Ford GM, Honda, you name it will be doing a used oil analysis and looking for receipts as well, especially in the case of the DYI'er that only goes in for warranty work. Now I'll take it a step further, if they see everything was done by the book, they might try and blame the oil itself, creating even more hassle for the DYI'er, and drag the oil company in. Thank goodness these things don't happen much! My father worked for a few years in auto sales, and saw this kind of stuff first hand.
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At the moment, 0w-20 may force use of syn oil, but this will likely change.
Not at all likely.
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0W has to be MPG related, right?
I doubt this too.
At the moment, 0w-20 may force use of syn oil, but this will likely change.
Not at all likely.
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0W has to be MPG related, right?
I doubt this too.
How long has this engine been around? Not long enough to determine if the use of synthetics is a good or bad idea by consumers for sure.
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