Toyotas Migration to 0w-20

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Toyota has been advising its dealers since the second quart of this year that significant change is coming. Specifically, dealers say Toyota is telling them that over the next several years, Toyota, Scion and Lexus (and other manufacturers for that matter) will slowly change to SAE 0W-20 synthetics. Dealers are told this change is driven by more stringent emission certifications around Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards and ULEVII.

Since some of the new makes and model requiring SAE 0W-20 synthetics are now hitting the market, Toyota has taken the lead in advising its dealers about what to expect.

First it says Toyota is not the only OEM to adopt the new standard. In fact, it's telling dealers several other OEMs already require the new engine oil technology and many others will by 2011.

Now for the big one - price. SAE 0W-20 does not come cheap. In fact, dealers say they are told 0W-20 (in cases) will cost roughly 3 times that of 5W-20 in bulk. This will reportedly result in an increase of $23 to $35 for a lube oil and filter change. At the same time, dealers say higher prices are expected as the transition takes place from 5W-20 to 0W-20, especially since demand for 0W-20 will initially be low and addressed with quart and drum purchases rather than bulk. At the same time, dealers add that Toyota says by the years end the price differential for an oil change with SAE 0W-20 will likely drop to less than $20 as demand increases and supply builds.

So what's in it for the customer?

Toyota is advising its dealers there are several advantages gained by using SAE 0W-20. These include enhanced engine protection at high and low temperatures, improved fuel economy, and reduced engine deposits. In addition, Toyota says, IF oil drain intervals are increased to 10K miles (something they are reportedly studying), this alone pays for the increased cost of oil.


http://www.jobbersworld.com/August 10, 2009.htm
 
Only now Toyota recognizes that synthetic oil main advantages are extreme temperatures protection and long drain interval, which we all know for a long long times.
 
I've said on BITOG several times that within 10 years most all auto manf. will require synt. oil. To bad the Toyota sludgers didn't require synt. back a few years ago. My daughter had a 99 Lexi RX 300 and I changed the oil for her. I always put Mobil 1 10w30 in it and as far as I know the engine was fine to the day she sold it.
 
I would not generalize.

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Recommended oil viscosity- 5w30 is the oil that provides the optimal level of fuel efficiency.

The 5W portion of the oil viscosity rating indicates the characteristic of the oil which allows cold start ability. Oils with a lower value before the W allow for easier starting of the engine in cold weather.

The 30 in 5w30 indicates the oil viscosity when the oil is at its operating temperature. An oil with a higher viscosity may be better suited if the vehicle is operated at high speeds, or under extreme load conditions.


From 2009 V6 RAV4 manual
 
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
I would not generalize.

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Recommended oil viscosity- 5w30 is the oil that provides the optimal level of fuel efficiency.

The 5W portion of the oil viscosity rating indicates the characteristic of the oil which allows cold start ability. Oils with a lower value before the W allow for easier starting of the engine in cold weather.

The 30 in 5w30 indicates the oil viscosity when the oil is at its operating temperature. An oil with a higher viscosity may be better suited if the vehicle is operated at high speeds, or under extreme load conditions.


From 2009 V6 RAV4 manual


The original post does state "significant change IS COMING.....over the next several years.", not that it's already here.
 
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This will hurt Toyota in soon order.

Tell some guy he has to put an expensive synthetic oil in an 'economy' Camry or Corolla, and he'll walk down to the GM dealership where you can still use bulk/sale 5w30.

Good move Toyota!
 
Originally Posted By: addyguy
This will hurt Toyota in soon order.

Tell some guy he has to put an expensive synthetic oil in an 'economy' Camry or Corolla, and he'll walk down to the GM dealership where you can still use bulk/sale 5w30.

Good move Toyota!



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Most people are cheap as heck....
 
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Originally Posted By: addyguy
This will hurt Toyota in soon order.

Tell some guy he has to put an expensive synthetic oil in an 'economy' Camry or Corolla, and he'll walk down to the GM dealership where you can still use bulk/sale 5w30.

Good move Toyota!



+1


Most people are cheap as heck....


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Originally Posted By: MarkC
...and just wait until all those Toyotas wear their engines out prematurely running that 20 weight oil, just like all those Hondas and Fords...



What? My buddy's mom drives a Focus that has been running on 5w20 for a while now, and the engine is doing just fine....
 
Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Originally Posted By: MarkC
...and just wait until all those Toyotas wear their engines out prematurely running that 20 weight oil, just like all those Hondas and Fords...



What? My buddy's mom drives a Focus that has been running on 5w20 for a while now, and the engine is doing just fine....


He was making a joke.............
 
Looked in a Toyota manual yesterday, for a toyota hilux (2.7 I-4 petrol).

Recommended vis is 20W-50. 15w40 for lower temps, with 10w30 and 5w30 being "acceptable" if the customer desires better economy.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Looked in a Toyota manual yesterday, for a toyota hilux (2.7 I-4 petrol).

Recommended vis is 20W-50. 15w40 for lower temps, with 10w30 and 5w30 being "acceptable" if the customer desires better economy.


what year hilux?
 
Darn I just spent $25,000 on my new Toyota but a quart of oil is now $5. How can I afford it?
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Why should the consumer be paying for a corporate fuel efficiency average that has no meaning or merit for nobody else but Toyota? What's in it for the consumer?

This change will not save any fuel from a single car point of view or provide extra protection from synthetic (cars were fine on dino for decades), but it will add extra expense to the end user, you are bound to use synth, so that Toyota can have their CAFE credits.
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I could expect something like that comming from GM, now that it is owned by the government, but Toyota? Bad move for us, probably good for Toyota (but I couldn't give a rat's [censored] about Toyota)
 
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