Toyotas Migration to 0w-20

[ekpolk]

For everyone's information, in contrast to the 2010 V-6 Camry's oil rec, here's a screen capture of the oil rec for the 2010 Avalon's oil rec. Same engine, but they recommend this:

Go figure. . .

 

[BuickGN]

Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Originally Posted By: BuickGN
If I were going to run a 20wt, emphasis on the "if", I would run a 0w-20 instead of a 5w-20 and take advantage of the imperceptable increase in mileage.....seriously. Supposedly it has to be made of a good base oil to get the 0w rating so I don't see a problem with it over a 5w-20 with a lesser base oil.


Just fell out of my chair, dusted myself off, and I'm back in front of the computer -- we agree on something!

I really don't see a reason to use 5w-20 over a 0w, UNLESS your personal priorities elevate price over anything else. For those who are on an unbendably tight budget, it's very hard to argue against MC 5w-20, which has repeatedly proven itself to be a very strong oil. Beyond that constraint, I'd take either M1 or PP 0w-20 any day -- why not get the superior low temp performance with the strong hot performance too?

Honestly, I've never had a problem with 20wts under the right conditions. It's the one viscosity for every climate and driving condition that gets me. That, and the people that refuse to believe or just don't know any better that a 30wt will protect better especially when run hard.

If I had a car that spec'd it and lived in a different climate I would run it. There's no way I'm going to run it in a car that sees 110 degree days and occasional hard driving though.

 

[ekpolk]

You know, I'm really starting to gravitate to a conclusion I've toyed with for a while -- that I'm just going to have fun experimenting with pretty much any oil that I feel like using, within the broad bounds of reason. I still have 39 qts of goopy thick green GC (0w-30 of course) that I was about to list for sale on EBay. Might just use it up in the TCH anyway. I mean, sheesh, when Toyota itself can't coordinate oil recs for the SAME FREAKIN ENGINE, same model year, I'm pretty confident that this lawyer could litigate circles around them if they ever tried to pull a warranty denial on me.

 

[es350]

I have used 0w-20 from 110F to below 20 F...no issues and will continue to use...

Having engine failures on oil is like zero people.

 

[BuickGN]

Originally Posted By: es350
I have used 0w-20 from 110F to below 20 F...no issues and will continue to use...

Having engine failures on oil is like zero people.


Geez here we go again. And I thought you would put a rod through the block as soon as you hit the starter with the 20wt.

I suggest you read some more if you think the number of people with failures attributed to oil is 0. There are others besides myself out there.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: ekpolk
You know, I'm really starting to gravitate to a conclusion I've toyed with for a while -- that I'm just going to have fun experimenting with pretty much any oil that I feel like using, within the broad bounds of reason.


I know exactly how you feel, as I've been there and done it.

25W-70 on -5C winter's mornings, to prove that it wasn't going to blow up. straight 30 in 37C summers for the same reason.

There was a 10 percent difference in mileage between them, but no failures.

I can give you somewhere to send the GC if you want a wider range of options in the short term.

 

[H2GURU]

This actually will be cheaper in terms of time wasted at oil changed facility. With the synthetics the average driver can half the # of changes per year which makes the added oil cost a wash. I used to change oil every 3,000 or 4x/yr and now it's only twice w the 0w30 AT 6,000 miles.

 

[tsmay51]

If Toyota allows longer intervals for the synthetics that will offset the extra expense per change somewhat. Just doesn't seem to be that big of a deal to me. If you can afford a new $20k to $40k car then more than likely a $35 oil chabge isn't going to put you in the poor house.

 

[crinkles]

Originally Posted By: tsmay51
If Toyota allows longer intervals for the synthetics that will offset the extra expense per change somewhat. Just doesn't seem to be that big of a deal to me. If you can afford a new $20k to $40k car then more than likely a $35 oil chabge isn't going to put you in the poor house.



unfortunately mate many members of the general public does not have that crystal forethought in practice. they will need the $10 to buy bread or cigarettes or whatever etc.