Toyota - The recall KING?

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Good point. Every company is going to have minor setbacks. Honda had a big problem and fixed it. I would rather buy a new Civic than a new Corolla right now. I imagine the same thing is going to happen with Toyota.

I would rather buy a "troublesome" Toyota than a normal Ford.
 
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The Toyota sludgers were (are still?) locking up on the interstate at speed. THATS A SAFETY ISSUE IMHO. I saw a smoking late model Camry yesterday on the way to Raleigh. They're still out there. Not to mention the emissions compliance aspect of their problem. "Oh what a feeling"




It does not matter what you think, NHSTA does not see it your way hence no recall.

I personally dislike Toyota's(boring) but they appeal to the masses and fit their needs. Recall king or not they make money selling cars and getting a larger market share. There are plenty of choices out there thankfully for everyone to enjoy.
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Dang, somehow a Toyota recall thread turned into a GM hate thread. The import lovers just can't stand the fact that their precious Toyotas aren't any better than a GM. In fact, they don't seem to hold up as well. They just paid thousands more for them. Haha suckers!
 
I have always, fairly or not, viewed Toyota as the GM of imports. IMO, GM cars are engineered to be fantastically comfortable when new, but not made to last. This is great for making sales, but doesn't work out so well for the overall reputation. My view on Toyota is similar, except I see a lot more real old Toyotas out there than GMs. Check out the resale figures, there has to be a reason. I would, and have bought a Toyota, used. I did buy a Chev once, a mistake I would never make again. Actually, I prefer an American made car, like our Odyssey.

I don't know much about the sludge issue, partly because I don't know anyone who had a Toyota V-6 sludge problem, but I do know that people are willing to abuse or neglect an engine and then blame the manufacturer. How good are those maintenance records for the 5000 mile OCI Toyotas that had engine failures? Lots of people make the 3,000 mile OCI claim, but when it comes to it, can't prove it no matter how thick the stack of receipts they hand you is.
 
Ok, I'll buy that owner neglect causes Toyota engines to sludge up.

Having bought that, perhaps you can explain to me why such neglect apparently does not cause similar problems with other engines? Why is it that Toyotas (and Chryslers and Audis, and Saabs) seem to be disproportionately affected by lack of oil change maintenance?
 
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Dang, somehow a Toyota recall thread turned into a GM hate thread. The import lovers just can't stand the fact that their precious Toyotas aren't any better than a GM. In fact, they don't seem to hold up as well. They just paid thousands more for them. Haha suckers!




That's funny, I bought my 05 Tundra for less than a comparably equipped Silverado would have cost me. Chevy might offer steeper discounts but their MSRP's are higher. False value if you ask me. I could care less about bragging how I saved 6k off sticker. Bottom line is what really matters. If people are too short sighted to see that, then screw them.

Let's see, less money for a Toyota and no worries about problematic cooling systems and mushy brakes that fade into oblivion with "normal" use... I would buy the Silverado why??

BTW, Tundra is built in Indiana, Silverado is built where?? Funny how my import provided more jobs for Americans than your beloved GM.
 
Since I am obsessive about oil changes and oil quality I can't answer that. Maybe you could tell me why there are people who insist on neglecting even the manufacturer recommended oil change intervals. My son's friend bought a new Hyundai Santa Fe and didn't change the oil till well over 10k miles, I think its was 15k, but it might have only been 12k. The only reason he changed it then is because I harassed him about it. If his engine had failed would it have been Hyundai's fault? Oh yeah, he also added oil when on a summer trip to California and it was down below the refill mark on the dipstick. Yet if asked, he would probably say he kept the oil changed. Maybe the Toyota, Dodge, Audi or Saab would fail sooner, but why do they have to be made to take that kind of abuse?
 
Why can't they be made to take that kind of abuse? The vast majority of automakers seem to design engines that can.

Overengineering a product is generally a good idea--unless you're trying to pinch pennies.
 
I just sold my '02 Tundra and bought an '06 Tundra. Danged nice trucks, both of 'em. Toyota issued a TSB for the front brakes on my '02 - I got new EVEYTHING (rotors, larger calipers & pads, brake lines, backing plates, wheel bearings...) FREE.

My Father has a Silverado. Needed a new short block at about 6,000 miles or so. Other than that he has been satisfied with it.

My new Tundra is listed at 80% from USA & Canada (including engine & transmission), 15% from Japan.
 
GM issued a TSB for N-body Malibus relating to a squeaking noise. My mom's 2004 Malibu Classic was making a noise going over bumps so I took it in at 7:30am on a snowy Friday (if you know anything about this area, you know that half the people don't go to work when it snows). By 9:30am they were done and had replaced the strut mounts on both sides, not just the side that was making noise. (That was warranty so it was free). They also did the Virginia state safety inspection in that time, too. (That wasn't free, but it never is and in fact I believe they're legally required to charge the going rate for it).
 
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Dang, somehow a Toyota recall thread turned into a GM hate thread. The import lovers just can't stand the fact that their precious Toyotas aren't any better than a GM. In fact, they don't seem to hold up as well. They just paid thousands more for them. Haha suckers!




That's funny, I bought my 05 Tundra for less than a comparably equipped Silverado would have cost me. Chevy might offer steeper discounts but their MSRP's are higher. False value if you ask me. I could care less about bragging how I saved 6k off sticker. Bottom line is what really matters. If people are too short sighted to see that, then screw them.

Let's see, less money for a Toyota and no worries about problematic cooling systems and mushy brakes that fade into oblivion with "normal" use... I would buy the Silverado why??

BTW, Tundra is built in Indiana, Silverado is built where?? Funny how my import provided more jobs for Americans than your beloved GM.




MDV, if you're comparing MSRPs then you're paying for for your Toyota than I originally thought. Chevy and Ford offer 2-3500 dollar rebates plus whatever you can knock off the price.An $18,500 Ford or Chevy work truck sells for about 14.5K in the real world. The ones I checked out were assembled in the USA (Fort Wayne, IN for the Chevy and Norfolk, VA for the Ford) and both had a 90% American parts content. Both were assembled with union labor. JD POwer reports that the GM pickup is the longest lasting, most dependable p/u. Profits for Toy go where? My point is that is the quality is essentially the same and they are competively priced, why not buy from an American mfg?
 
Why not buy form an American MFG?
Easy, I don't give money to companies that don't get their act together.
GM is a mess - I won't buy their vehicles until they get it going in the right direction.
I went to a Pontiac dealer that has a bunch of 05 and 06 GTOs. They wouldn't even budge on the $34k sticker because they're "limited"
ROFLMAO!
They can't sell them, they're overpriced, they're DISCONTINUED, and they won't discount?
Clueless.
Not to mention, all that you get with that car is a great motor - the 'Vette LS2.
Not worth it I'm afraid.
But the really amazing thing was that when I showed the sales people my Scion tC and all the extras it had - you know what they pointed out to me - and this is no lie - they showed me the great cupholders!
Oh, and the cutting-edge 6-CD changer.

I left. Won't go back.
 
Gee, worse mileage than my 3/4 ton Dodge diesel, half the towing capacity, less room, less durable, and more expensive - do you get a sharp stick to poke yourself with if you get one ?

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The concept that Toyota is more American that GM is a Laugh at best.

Level Field Institute Releases New Report Today That Shows $83 billion in Auto Parts Sales – and 232,000 U.S. Jobs – Could Depend on Differences in Domestic Auto Parts Content

Washington, DC – August 31, 2006 – The Level Field Institute today issued its first report on the U.S. automotive parts industry and how differences in “domestic content” among automakers affect the U.S. economy and jobs.
Despite the fact that domestic automakers (Chrysler Group, Ford and GM) used 93 percent more domestic parts, on average, in 2005 than foreign automakers, many observers argue that the two groups’ parts strategies are converging quickly.

Level Field conducted this most recent study in response to growing confusion over whether, and how much, a car’s domestic content still matters. The report examines how much automakers spent on U.S. parts in recent years, as well as the average domestic content for the cars sold in the U.S. by each company (as defined by the American Automobile Labeling Act (AALA)). From that, Level Field estimates how many jobs each automaker’s domestic parts purchases support – and how automakers compare on a market share-adjusted and per car-adjusted basis.

“Parts suppliers employ somewhere between 80 and 170 percent more U.S. workers than the automakers themselves, so domestic content has a big impact on our economy,” said Level Field President Jim Doyle. “This report examines how various automakers rate against one another, and what the differences among them mean for U.S. jobs.” Doyle continued, “Domestic content can vary widely from model to model, but comparing companies demonstrates that tens of billions of dollars and more than 200,000 U.S. jobs are at stake.”

Full details of the new Level Field report, along with previous studies examining the impact of the auto industry on the U.S. economy and jobs, can be found at:

www.levelfieldinstitute.org


Among Level Field’s findings:

• Domestic automakers’ combined spending of $171 billion supported approximately 480,000 U.S. parts jobs in 2005, compared with foreign automaker spending of $50 billion, which supported approximately 140,000 jobs.

• Had domestic automakers reduced their domestic content average from 76 percent to the foreign automaker average of 40 percent, U.S. parts suppliers would have sold approximately $83 billion fewer parts, which could have led to layoffs for as many as 232,000 workers (nearly two of every five workers employed by parts suppliers nationwide).

• GM’s parts purchases were approximately 1.5 times what its market share would suggest, while Toyota’s parts purchases were lower by approximately one third.

• Ford, GM and Chrysler used 93 percent more domestic parts on average than their foreign competitors. The report shows the significant domestic content differences on a brand-by-brand basis:

Domestic Content by Brand (2005 – sales weighted):

BMW 10%
Chrysler (domestic brands) 78%
Ford (domestic brands) 78%
GM (domestic brands) 74%
Honda/Acura 59%
Hyundai/Kia 3%
Isuzu 17%
Mitsubishi 36%
Nissan/Infiniti 46%
Subaru 26%
Toyota/Lexus 47%
Volkswagen/Audi 4%

The Level Field Institute previously released a report examining how the latest buyout, layoff and new plant developments are likely to affect the U.S. economy – collectively, and on a company-by-company basis. The report showed that the recent cuts will not have a significant impact on their comparative economic contribution to the U.S. economy.
 
From Toyota:
Direct U.S. Investment in 2005: $16.8 BILLION
Direct U.S. Employment: 32,000
Total U.S. Jobs: 386,000

That's a lot of paychecks.

What was Ford's investment?
What was GM's investment?
What was Chrysler's investment? Oh, wait. They aren't an American automaker any more than Toyota is.
 
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Dang, somehow a Toyota recall thread turned into a GM hate thread. The import lovers just can't stand the fact that their precious Toyotas aren't any better than a GM. In fact, they don't seem to hold up as well. They just paid thousands more for them. Haha suckers!




That's funny, I bought my 05 Tundra for less than a comparably equipped Silverado would have cost me. Chevy might offer steeper discounts but their MSRP's are higher. False value if you ask me. I could care less about bragging how I saved 6k off sticker. Bottom line is what really matters. If people are too short sighted to see that, then screw them.

Let's see, less money for a Toyota and no worries about problematic cooling systems and mushy brakes that fade into oblivion with "normal" use... I would buy the Silverado why??

BTW, Tundra is built in Indiana, Silverado is built where?? Funny how my import provided more jobs for Americans than your beloved GM.




MDV, if you're comparing MSRPs then you're paying for for your Toyota than I originally thought. Chevy and Ford offer 2-3500 dollar rebates plus whatever you can knock off the price.An $18,500 Ford or Chevy work truck sells for about 14.5K in the real world. The ones I checked out were assembled in the USA (Fort Wayne, IN for the Chevy and Norfolk, VA for the Ford) and both had a 90% American parts content. Both were assembled with union labor. JD POwer reports that the GM pickup is the longest lasting, most dependable p/u. Profits for Toy go where? My point is that is the quality is essentially the same and they are competively priced, why not buy from an American mfg?




Nope, comparing the bottom line. My point was that people think they're getting a better deal with GM when they see a 6k total discount vs. 4k for someone else. Since the MSRP is 2k higher to start, the net efefct is the same. I wanted a 4X4 ext. cab model. MSRP on the Tundra was just over 31k. To get equivalent power on the Silverado, I needed to upgrade to the 5.3l engine. If memory serves this bumped the MSRP to almost 34k. Bottom line out the door was 26k for the Tundra and the Chevy dealer wouldn't come down past 27k. Does the Silverado look better and have a better interior, absolutely. Does the Tundra have a better rep for a bullet proof motor, yep. I'll take mechanical reliability over style any day.

It was never my intention to claim foreign manufacturers contribute as much as Ford and GM to our economy, just trying to note they do have a significant contribution that has been growing here vs. the other 2 sending stuff to Mexico and Canada.

Profits from Toyota go into my pocket right now, as I love what their stock has been doing lately. Millions were also poured into the San Antonio plant that will no doubt contribute greatly to that areas economy as well.
 
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