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don't forget AMERICAN car manufacturers are selling larger vehicles in CHINA at fairly good rate ( up 27% for FEBRUARY there , meanwhile down 30% overall here ) and are building roads at good pace which consumes oil . This in return creates higher gas / oil prices that touch our lives . In CHINA the price of gas is fixed by the goverment , so is cheaper to them , making for more consumption . Also , a pipeline is supposed to be built from RUSSIA to CHINA , so less LUKOIL gas for us . Does this not make AMERICAN car companies unpatriotic ?
Originally Posted By: smokey1
why not round up all us JAPANESE vehicle owners and put us in camps like that of W.W.II . ;- )
Nah, just lay you off first from your jobs and make you park in the back of the parking lot.
why not round up all us JAPANESE vehicle owners and put us in camps like that of W.W.II . ;- )
Nah, just lay you off first from your jobs and make you park in the back of the parking lot.
Originally Posted By: smokey1
don't forget AMERICAN car manufacturers are selling larger vehicles in CHINA at fairly good rate ( up 27% for FEBRUARY there , meanwhile down 30% overall here ) and are building roads at good pace which consumes oil . This in return creates higher gas / oil prices that touch our lives . In CHINA the price of gas is fixed by the goverment , so is cheaper to them , making for more consumption . Also , a pipeline is supposed to be built from RUSSIA to CHINA , so less LUKOIL gas for us . Does this not make AMERICAN car companies unpatriotic ?
That's because of our insane foreign trade policies that benefit every other country but the USA. If I had my way we wouldn't deal with China, India, Mexico, Vietnam, Pakistan, etc. at all. Then they wouldn't have the $$$ to buy a Buick. We can produce everything we need here as well as be an export nation.
don't forget AMERICAN car manufacturers are selling larger vehicles in CHINA at fairly good rate ( up 27% for FEBRUARY there , meanwhile down 30% overall here ) and are building roads at good pace which consumes oil . This in return creates higher gas / oil prices that touch our lives . In CHINA the price of gas is fixed by the goverment , so is cheaper to them , making for more consumption . Also , a pipeline is supposed to be built from RUSSIA to CHINA , so less LUKOIL gas for us . Does this not make AMERICAN car companies unpatriotic ?
That's because of our insane foreign trade policies that benefit every other country but the USA. If I had my way we wouldn't deal with China, India, Mexico, Vietnam, Pakistan, etc. at all. Then they wouldn't have the $$$ to buy a Buick. We can produce everything we need here as well as be an export nation.
Originally Posted By: rationull
Originally Posted By: Amkeer
I still do not understand what is wrong with bringing up the "Native American Indian"?
Because it's trivially easy to extend that argument far enough that it becomes meaningless, is my take on the objection.
The intent was to go a reasonable period back to show how unreasonable some posters are.
Originally Posted By: Amkeer
I still do not understand what is wrong with bringing up the "Native American Indian"?
Because it's trivially easy to extend that argument far enough that it becomes meaningless, is my take on the objection.
The intent was to go a reasonable period back to show how unreasonable some posters are.
Originally Posted By: mstrjon32
Originally Posted By: Amkeer
I still do not understand what is wrong with bringing up the "Native American Indian"?
Because it's a pointless and frankly moronic argument. The point of buying American is to support "American" workers and taxpayers who live here, work here, (hopefully) buy American goods here, and pay taxes here. The descendancy of American Indians has nothing to do with the discussion at hand which is with regards to our economic posture.
This has nothing to do with ethnicity or descendancy. If you're Japanese and you live and work here (and in my perfect little world drive a Chevy) more power to you. But if you're "American" living and working in Japan, you're not my problem. I'd like to see this country take care of itself before we take care of everyone else, particularly those who aren't interested in being taken care of.
Ahhh, but it does and its exactly my point I am portraying. What didn't you understand about ME supporting AMERICANS? I further support Ford through buying their stock. Do you? Furthermore, I did not really have to buy a truck, and a boat, but I did, why? To support the American worker.
Also, last I checked we are all supporting GM, and Chrysler with our tax dollars. There is further support right there.
So if you are not out there actively buying goods and supporting the American worker you are not doing your part, and are part of the problem.
Originally Posted By: Amkeer
I still do not understand what is wrong with bringing up the "Native American Indian"?
Because it's a pointless and frankly moronic argument. The point of buying American is to support "American" workers and taxpayers who live here, work here, (hopefully) buy American goods here, and pay taxes here. The descendancy of American Indians has nothing to do with the discussion at hand which is with regards to our economic posture.
This has nothing to do with ethnicity or descendancy. If you're Japanese and you live and work here (and in my perfect little world drive a Chevy) more power to you. But if you're "American" living and working in Japan, you're not my problem. I'd like to see this country take care of itself before we take care of everyone else, particularly those who aren't interested in being taken care of.
Ahhh, but it does and its exactly my point I am portraying. What didn't you understand about ME supporting AMERICANS? I further support Ford through buying their stock. Do you? Furthermore, I did not really have to buy a truck, and a boat, but I did, why? To support the American worker.
Also, last I checked we are all supporting GM, and Chrysler with our tax dollars. There is further support right there.
So if you are not out there actively buying goods and supporting the American worker you are not doing your part, and are part of the problem.
That had nothing to do with the point about American Indians, did it?
Originally Posted By: cousincletus
Originally Posted By: smokey1
don't forget AMERICAN car manufacturers are selling larger vehicles in CHINA at fairly good rate ( up 27% for FEBRUARY there , meanwhile down 30% overall here ) and are building roads at good pace which consumes oil . This in return creates higher gas / oil prices that touch our lives . In CHINA the price of gas is fixed by the goverment , so is cheaper to them , making for more consumption . Also , a pipeline is supposed to be built from RUSSIA to CHINA , so less LUKOIL gas for us . Does this not make AMERICAN car companies unpatriotic ?
That's because of our insane foreign trade policies that benefit every other country but the USA. If I had my way we wouldn't deal with China, India, Mexico, Vietnam, Pakistan, etc. at all. Then they wouldn't have the $$$ to buy a Buick. We can produce everything we need here as well as be an export nation.
Actually we can't, we can't produce enough oil...
Originally Posted By: smokey1
don't forget AMERICAN car manufacturers are selling larger vehicles in CHINA at fairly good rate ( up 27% for FEBRUARY there , meanwhile down 30% overall here ) and are building roads at good pace which consumes oil . This in return creates higher gas / oil prices that touch our lives . In CHINA the price of gas is fixed by the goverment , so is cheaper to them , making for more consumption . Also , a pipeline is supposed to be built from RUSSIA to CHINA , so less LUKOIL gas for us . Does this not make AMERICAN car companies unpatriotic ?
That's because of our insane foreign trade policies that benefit every other country but the USA. If I had my way we wouldn't deal with China, India, Mexico, Vietnam, Pakistan, etc. at all. Then they wouldn't have the $$$ to buy a Buick. We can produce everything we need here as well as be an export nation.
Actually we can't, we can't produce enough oil...
Originally Posted By: 3Toyotas
Yeah, the lightning and the SRT 10 are slightly faster but not by a long ways from what i've read.
Are you serious? Where are you reading this a Toyota forum? You have got to be kidding me.
I almost fell out of my chair when I read that laughing.
Absolutely NO offense meant but it was unbelievable to me that someone would say that.
Just so you know and NEVER make such a ludicrous comment again if you have any knowledgable folks around to hear it( especially in public where you will end up embarassed
)...
The SRT-10 is a mid to high 12 second 1/4 mile truck right off the showroom floor with a competant driver. Those things are FASTER than true Muscle Cars. If you see a track time in a magazine with anything higher than a mid 13 the driver was incompetant and/or they couldn't hook it up! Even an inexperienced driver could hit the high 13's low 14 range with it if they could hook the tires up. The new 5.7L Tundra is capable of low to mid 6 second 0-60 times at best and is a 15 second truck off the showroom floor in the hands of an experienced driver. Try 16 seconds+ in the hands of your average driver.
If you put up a new Tundra against an SRT-10 Ram the Ram would be through the traps and heading back down the road to the pits before the Tundra hit the lights. 2.5-3 seconds on the strip is a HUGE margin of victory. A new Tundra would get trounced by a Lightning( well, the 2nd version of that model )as well and to beat an SRT-10 Ram, no let me change that to even stay within site of the Ram, it would need a Lightning pushing it.
The SRT-10 used an 8.3L V10 500HP/525FTLBS engine. 0-60 times were in the 4 second range even for the Quad Cab models. They are also still the worlds fastest "production" truck( 2006 last year made )reaching a top speed of 155 MPH so even on the highway it eats a new Tundra up.
The F150 lightning( 1999-2004 - the 93-95 version was weak )had a 5.4L Supercharged V8 that pumped out 360HP/440FTLBS - 380HP/450FTLBS( depends on year )and was capable of low 5 second 0-60 times and high 13 second 1/4 mile runs off the showroom floor. A Lightning would eat a Tundra up just as the SRT-10 Ram would.
Actually, the new Tundra's average 1/4 times people talk about ( mid 15's +/- )are on par with 03-08 5.7L HEMI Rams with a less powerful engine( 345HP/375FTLBS )than the new 5.7L Tundra engine( 381HP/401FTLBS ). The new Toyota 5.7L puts out good power don't get me wrong but PUHLEASE don't try and compare it to true Muscle Trucks like the Lightning and god forbid the King of all Muscle Trucks = SRT-10 Ram.
The new Tundra is a work or luxury driver themed truck not a race/muscle truck. It has good power and excellent towing capabilites but it is set up for work not play. A 03-08 HEMI Ram is going to stay with it even though it is less powerful( will lose don't get me wrong but will be close ). The new 09+ 5.7L HEMI Rams( 390HP/407FTLBS )can pull mid to high 5 second 0-60 times and low 14 second 1/4 miles right off the showroom floor so even they are faster than the new Tundra and they would get smoked by a Lightning or SRT-10 Ram.
Just so things are correct. NO WAY a new Tundra touches either of those trucks as far as racing goes. Just doesn't belong in the same discussion with those two trucks.
Yeah, the lightning and the SRT 10 are slightly faster but not by a long ways from what i've read.
Are you serious? Where are you reading this a Toyota forum? You have got to be kidding me.
Just so you know and NEVER make such a ludicrous comment again if you have any knowledgable folks around to hear it( especially in public where you will end up embarassed
The SRT-10 is a mid to high 12 second 1/4 mile truck right off the showroom floor with a competant driver. Those things are FASTER than true Muscle Cars. If you see a track time in a magazine with anything higher than a mid 13 the driver was incompetant and/or they couldn't hook it up! Even an inexperienced driver could hit the high 13's low 14 range with it if they could hook the tires up. The new 5.7L Tundra is capable of low to mid 6 second 0-60 times at best and is a 15 second truck off the showroom floor in the hands of an experienced driver. Try 16 seconds+ in the hands of your average driver.
If you put up a new Tundra against an SRT-10 Ram the Ram would be through the traps and heading back down the road to the pits before the Tundra hit the lights. 2.5-3 seconds on the strip is a HUGE margin of victory. A new Tundra would get trounced by a Lightning( well, the 2nd version of that model )as well and to beat an SRT-10 Ram, no let me change that to even stay within site of the Ram, it would need a Lightning pushing it.
The SRT-10 used an 8.3L V10 500HP/525FTLBS engine. 0-60 times were in the 4 second range even for the Quad Cab models. They are also still the worlds fastest "production" truck( 2006 last year made )reaching a top speed of 155 MPH so even on the highway it eats a new Tundra up.
The F150 lightning( 1999-2004 - the 93-95 version was weak )had a 5.4L Supercharged V8 that pumped out 360HP/440FTLBS - 380HP/450FTLBS( depends on year )and was capable of low 5 second 0-60 times and high 13 second 1/4 mile runs off the showroom floor. A Lightning would eat a Tundra up just as the SRT-10 Ram would.
Actually, the new Tundra's average 1/4 times people talk about ( mid 15's +/- )are on par with 03-08 5.7L HEMI Rams with a less powerful engine( 345HP/375FTLBS )than the new 5.7L Tundra engine( 381HP/401FTLBS ). The new Toyota 5.7L puts out good power don't get me wrong but PUHLEASE don't try and compare it to true Muscle Trucks like the Lightning and god forbid the King of all Muscle Trucks = SRT-10 Ram.
The new Tundra is a work or luxury driver themed truck not a race/muscle truck. It has good power and excellent towing capabilites but it is set up for work not play. A 03-08 HEMI Ram is going to stay with it even though it is less powerful( will lose don't get me wrong but will be close ). The new 09+ 5.7L HEMI Rams( 390HP/407FTLBS )can pull mid to high 5 second 0-60 times and low 14 second 1/4 miles right off the showroom floor so even they are faster than the new Tundra and they would get smoked by a Lightning or SRT-10 Ram.
Just so things are correct. NO WAY a new Tundra touches either of those trucks as far as racing goes. Just doesn't belong in the same discussion with those two trucks.
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Actually we can't, we can't produce enough oil...
Actually, there's enough oil shale in the state of Colorado alone to power this countries needs longer than the middle east could. I'm not saying its economically feasible or environmentally friendly, but we could, if we had to.
Actually we can't, we can't produce enough oil...
Actually, there's enough oil shale in the state of Colorado alone to power this countries needs longer than the middle east could. I'm not saying its economically feasible or environmentally friendly, but we could, if we had to.
All I ever hear toyota folks talking about is "how fast" their little japanese truck is. Well, for us that actually put a load on our trucks and use them for something other than drag racing like some teenager, take a look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWjTbiYo3x0
I'm sure the toyota folks will say something like there is magic japanese rubber in the frames of the tundra that make it more durable than those [censored] AMERICAN trucks, but what that video shows me is that while toyota finally made a truck on an AMERICAN scale, as far as size, and while they put some little hot rod engine in there, they have some work to do on the rest of the truck. Especially in the torsional ridgity of the frame. And whats up with the interior of that tundra? It looks like two guys (who were drunk) designed the dash on that thing. That has to be the goofyist looking instrument panel I've ever seen.
I'll give the toyota credit for having a hot rod engine. But my whole point is that there are better trucks, from GM, Ford, and Dodge that are made by AMERICAN companies. Buy American. It'll make you toyota guys loosen up a little and feel better about your buying decisions. (and you'll be supporting the country that you call home)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWjTbiYo3x0
I'm sure the toyota folks will say something like there is magic japanese rubber in the frames of the tundra that make it more durable than those [censored] AMERICAN trucks, but what that video shows me is that while toyota finally made a truck on an AMERICAN scale, as far as size, and while they put some little hot rod engine in there, they have some work to do on the rest of the truck. Especially in the torsional ridgity of the frame. And whats up with the interior of that tundra? It looks like two guys (who were drunk) designed the dash on that thing. That has to be the goofyist looking instrument panel I've ever seen.
I'll give the toyota credit for having a hot rod engine. But my whole point is that there are better trucks, from GM, Ford, and Dodge that are made by AMERICAN companies. Buy American. It'll make you toyota guys loosen up a little and feel better about your buying decisions. (and you'll be supporting the country that you call home)
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Originally Posted By: mstrjon32
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Actually we can't, we can't produce enough oil...
Actually, there's enough oil shale in the state of Colorado alone to power this countries needs longer than the middle east could. I'm not saying its economically feasible or environmentally friendly, but we could, if we had to.
Do we have a process that can be scaled to do that, or is this just theory right now?
There is a difference between technically being able to do something and actually being able to do something.
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Actually we can't, we can't produce enough oil...
Actually, there's enough oil shale in the state of Colorado alone to power this countries needs longer than the middle east could. I'm not saying its economically feasible or environmentally friendly, but we could, if we had to.
Do we have a process that can be scaled to do that, or is this just theory right now?
There is a difference between technically being able to do something and actually being able to do something.
Originally Posted By: 3Toyotas
My bad on the IIHS ratings. Should edit my post to read NEAR the top i guess. Looks like ford edged out the tundra in one category. But does that ford have TC, BFD, VSC, All airbags, anti locks so it can possibly avoid an accident all together? Probably not. Thanks to these so called nannies, many tundra owners have avoided accidents because of them.
Umm, YEAH they do. From Ford website:
Personal Safety System
Safety systems inside The All-New '09 F-150 work together to provide an enhanced level of protection. During certain frontal collisions, the standard Personal Safety System® uses the electronic crash-severity sensor, a restraint-control module, a driver's seat-position sensor, dual-stage front airbags,* a front-passenger sensing system, safety-belt pretensioners, safety belt energy-management retractors and front outboard safety-belt usage sensors to help protect the driver and front-seat passenger.
Side and Curtain Airbags
The All-New '09 Ford F-150 offers enhanced occupant protection with a host of standard safety systems. In addition to front seat airbags, the enhanced occupant protection with the Personal Safety System®, the New '09 F-150 provides front side-impact airbags* and the Safety Canopy® System with its state-of-the-art roll-fold technology. All six airbags are now standard equipment on all F-150 models.
Advance Trac with Roll Stability Control (RSC)
The All-New '09 F-150 comes equipped with standard AdvanceTrac® with
Roll Stability Control™ (RSC®).* This advanced technology uses a combination of reduced engine power and selective wheel braking to help the driver maintain control. Corner too quickly or swerve to avoid an object and RSC® will automatically use its industry-exclusive gyroscopic sensor to measure vehicle roll, then apply the proper response to help keep you under control.
My bad on the IIHS ratings. Should edit my post to read NEAR the top i guess. Looks like ford edged out the tundra in one category. But does that ford have TC, BFD, VSC, All airbags, anti locks so it can possibly avoid an accident all together? Probably not. Thanks to these so called nannies, many tundra owners have avoided accidents because of them.
Umm, YEAH they do. From Ford website:
Personal Safety System
Safety systems inside The All-New '09 F-150 work together to provide an enhanced level of protection. During certain frontal collisions, the standard Personal Safety System® uses the electronic crash-severity sensor, a restraint-control module, a driver's seat-position sensor, dual-stage front airbags,* a front-passenger sensing system, safety-belt pretensioners, safety belt energy-management retractors and front outboard safety-belt usage sensors to help protect the driver and front-seat passenger.
Side and Curtain Airbags
The All-New '09 Ford F-150 offers enhanced occupant protection with a host of standard safety systems. In addition to front seat airbags, the enhanced occupant protection with the Personal Safety System®, the New '09 F-150 provides front side-impact airbags* and the Safety Canopy® System with its state-of-the-art roll-fold technology. All six airbags are now standard equipment on all F-150 models.
Advance Trac with Roll Stability Control (RSC)
The All-New '09 F-150 comes equipped with standard AdvanceTrac® with
Roll Stability Control™ (RSC®).* This advanced technology uses a combination of reduced engine power and selective wheel braking to help the driver maintain control. Corner too quickly or swerve to avoid an object and RSC® will automatically use its industry-exclusive gyroscopic sensor to measure vehicle roll, then apply the proper response to help keep you under control.
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Do we have a process that can be scaled to do that, or is this just theory right now?
About two years ago I read an article outlining a process developed by BP (and probably copyrighted, patented, and locked in a safe) to perform high-yield extraction from shale oil. Their process claimed to bring the efficiency of usable crude extraction from shale oil to the point where it would be reasonable to do so on a large scale, but for the time being its still cheaper to just pump it out of the ground and pay the middle easterners for it.
If I come across it, I'd be happy to scan and post it.
Do we have a process that can be scaled to do that, or is this just theory right now?
About two years ago I read an article outlining a process developed by BP (and probably copyrighted, patented, and locked in a safe) to perform high-yield extraction from shale oil. Their process claimed to bring the efficiency of usable crude extraction from shale oil to the point where it would be reasonable to do so on a large scale, but for the time being its still cheaper to just pump it out of the ground and pay the middle easterners for it.
If I come across it, I'd be happy to scan and post it.
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Originally Posted By: 3Toyotas
Yeah, the 5.7. It's in my sig.
Not sports car performance towing necessarily, but it did outperform all other's with 7200lbs behind.
It's amazing how they compared the tundra to the turbo diesels. But it faired very well in the testing, even while towing. This is extremely impressive to say the least. I mean a truck with more tow capacity and more torque by a long ways couldn't keep up with the new tundy.
Yeah, the lightning and the SRT 10 are slightly faster but not by a long ways from what i've read.
That's the thing with me too is, when i hook onto my fifth wheel and set the cruise at 70mph. I want to go 70 up or down hill, no matter how steep the hill. And this tundra has not let me down yet that way. Jeez, my dad's tundra tows a 9k lb 5er and he has no problem staying the speed he wants. NOt only does it do it without flinching, but it even manages between 9&11 mpg doing it.
My bad on the IIHS ratings. Should edit my post to read NEAR the top i guess. Looks like ford edged out the tundra in one category. But does that ford have TC, BFD, VSC, All airbags, anti locks so it can possibly avoid an accident all together? Probably not. Thanks to these so called nannies, many tundra owners have avoided accidents because of them.
It's amazing the oil burners couldn't match the tundra while towing HALF of their max tow capacity. Kind of funny if you ask me. The tundra with 75% of it's capacity, and the oil burners at 50% and they couldn't out do the tundra....Wonder why?
There's the arguement of " well the diesel will outlast the gasser by a long ways". Will it though. From what i understand, the dummax is a 200k mile rebuild motor. So basically you'll need to rebuild it then. The dodge is supposedly a 4-500k rebuild motor. Don't remember on the powersuck.
If i actually HAD to have a diesel truck as of right now, it would be the dodge with the cummins pre 06. Hopefully it would have the Aisin transmission in it. But i don't tow cross country a lot, nor do i need to tow 16k+ either. Only need to tow 11k maximum, and that's only a few times a year. I mainly tow 7500 lbs during the summer, from may until october for an occasional weekend here and there.
Considering the higher fuel costs of diesel vs. gas, and higher maintenance cost, i think i'll stick with my gasser.
You cannot, with any respect to sanity draw any conclusions comparing the SPEED of a diesel and a gasser in towing. The Duramax has 200+lb-ft on the gasser in the Tundra, at HALF the RPM, over a MUCH flatter curve. It also has a big honkin' turbo.
It begs the same question as to why you never see a gasser pull as well as the diesels at the truck pulls.
I'm NOT a GM fan, but to compare the towing capacity of the Duramax to the gasser in the Tundra is silly. And drawing conclusions because the gasser was "faster" is even more ridiculous.
It is like me stating that the 5.4L in my Expedition is better than a C7 CAT engine because I can get to 60Mph with 7,000lbs behind it faster. Speed is not the reason Diesels are used for heavy towing.
NHHEMI summed up the Lightning/SRT-10 comparison pretty well
Yeah, the 5.7. It's in my sig.
Not sports car performance towing necessarily, but it did outperform all other's with 7200lbs behind.
It's amazing how they compared the tundra to the turbo diesels. But it faired very well in the testing, even while towing. This is extremely impressive to say the least. I mean a truck with more tow capacity and more torque by a long ways couldn't keep up with the new tundy.
Yeah, the lightning and the SRT 10 are slightly faster but not by a long ways from what i've read.
That's the thing with me too is, when i hook onto my fifth wheel and set the cruise at 70mph. I want to go 70 up or down hill, no matter how steep the hill. And this tundra has not let me down yet that way. Jeez, my dad's tundra tows a 9k lb 5er and he has no problem staying the speed he wants. NOt only does it do it without flinching, but it even manages between 9&11 mpg doing it.
My bad on the IIHS ratings. Should edit my post to read NEAR the top i guess. Looks like ford edged out the tundra in one category. But does that ford have TC, BFD, VSC, All airbags, anti locks so it can possibly avoid an accident all together? Probably not. Thanks to these so called nannies, many tundra owners have avoided accidents because of them.
It's amazing the oil burners couldn't match the tundra while towing HALF of their max tow capacity. Kind of funny if you ask me. The tundra with 75% of it's capacity, and the oil burners at 50% and they couldn't out do the tundra....Wonder why?
There's the arguement of " well the diesel will outlast the gasser by a long ways". Will it though. From what i understand, the dummax is a 200k mile rebuild motor. So basically you'll need to rebuild it then. The dodge is supposedly a 4-500k rebuild motor. Don't remember on the powersuck.
If i actually HAD to have a diesel truck as of right now, it would be the dodge with the cummins pre 06. Hopefully it would have the Aisin transmission in it. But i don't tow cross country a lot, nor do i need to tow 16k+ either. Only need to tow 11k maximum, and that's only a few times a year. I mainly tow 7500 lbs during the summer, from may until october for an occasional weekend here and there.
Considering the higher fuel costs of diesel vs. gas, and higher maintenance cost, i think i'll stick with my gasser.
You cannot, with any respect to sanity draw any conclusions comparing the SPEED of a diesel and a gasser in towing. The Duramax has 200+lb-ft on the gasser in the Tundra, at HALF the RPM, over a MUCH flatter curve. It also has a big honkin' turbo.
It begs the same question as to why you never see a gasser pull as well as the diesels at the truck pulls.
I'm NOT a GM fan, but to compare the towing capacity of the Duramax to the gasser in the Tundra is silly. And drawing conclusions because the gasser was "faster" is even more ridiculous.
It is like me stating that the 5.4L in my Expedition is better than a C7 CAT engine because I can get to 60Mph with 7,000lbs behind it faster. Speed is not the reason Diesels are used for heavy towing.
NHHEMI summed up the Lightning/SRT-10 comparison pretty well
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^^^I read a similar article about the shale oil, but gas would have to remain at above 3 bucks per gallon to make it practical.
don't forget G.M. has joint venture with TOYOTA ( VIBE , PRIZM , NOVA in past ) . Those traitors . Some of their best cars ever from G.M. dealers lots . I also think that the HYBRIDS by FORD ( Escape ) and G.M. ( Escalade ? ) are from TOYOTA . Is this not betrayal ? . ;- ) .
The Ford Hybrid is Toyota's system. GM co-developed theirs with Chrysler, IIRC.
Edited to add: I think the Saturn Vue Hybrid is different. That may be Toyota or Honda, but am not sure.
That also reminds me that Saturn did buy V6's from Honda for the Vue, FWIW.
Oh, and Chrysler co-developed their current 4 cylinder "World Engine" with Hyundai and Mitusubishi.
Edited to add: I think the Saturn Vue Hybrid is different. That may be Toyota or Honda, but am not sure.
That also reminds me that Saturn did buy V6's from Honda for the Vue, FWIW.
Oh, and Chrysler co-developed their current 4 cylinder "World Engine" with Hyundai and Mitusubishi.
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Uh, I'm 95% sure the Ford system was developed in-house by Ford.
GM has a variety of systems, some developed in-house, others with Chrysler, most of which provide negligible benefit, not counting the Volt.
Honda's hybrid systems are just garbage. IMO the only decent hybrid Honda made was the Insight (the old one) and they stopped making it. And most of the benefit of that "hybrid" really came from the fact the original Insight was tiny, light, and had a 3-cylinder engine.
The only licensee using Toyota's HSD technology that I'm aware of is Nissan, in the Altima hybrid.
As it stands today, the only hybrids I'd consider (if I were to ever consider one, which I wouldn't, because they're economically impractical, slow, and boring) are the Toyota and the Ford. And I certainly wouldn't buy the Toyota, because Toyota irritates the [censored] out of me. So it looks like I'd have the Ford.
GM has a variety of systems, some developed in-house, others with Chrysler, most of which provide negligible benefit, not counting the Volt.
Honda's hybrid systems are just garbage. IMO the only decent hybrid Honda made was the Insight (the old one) and they stopped making it. And most of the benefit of that "hybrid" really came from the fact the original Insight was tiny, light, and had a 3-cylinder engine.
The only licensee using Toyota's HSD technology that I'm aware of is Nissan, in the Altima hybrid.
As it stands today, the only hybrids I'd consider (if I were to ever consider one, which I wouldn't, because they're economically impractical, slow, and boring) are the Toyota and the Ford. And I certainly wouldn't buy the Toyota, because Toyota irritates the [censored] out of me. So it looks like I'd have the Ford.
Originally Posted By: smokey1
don't forget G.M. has joint venture with TOYOTA ( VIBE , PRIZM , NOVA in past ) . Those traitors . Some of their best cars ever from G.M. dealers lots . I also think that the HYBRIDS by FORD ( Escape ) and G.M. ( Escalade ? ) are from TOYOTA . Is this not betrayal ? . ;- ) .
Doesn't mean you have to buy it.
don't forget G.M. has joint venture with TOYOTA ( VIBE , PRIZM , NOVA in past ) . Those traitors . Some of their best cars ever from G.M. dealers lots . I also think that the HYBRIDS by FORD ( Escape ) and G.M. ( Escalade ? ) are from TOYOTA . Is this not betrayal ? . ;- ) .
Doesn't mean you have to buy it.
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