Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: 3Toyotas
Originally Posted By: Big_3_Only
Real Americans buy American cars...infamatory?? Chest thumping?? Whatever...
I've never said buying japanese (or german) makes one unpatriotic. I do however believe that making a concerted effort to buy American products, is a patriotic thing to do.
While I think everyone should drive whatever they want, I can't stand people basing those decisions on information that is false. Things like American cars are inferior in quality, if you want a fuel efficent car you have to buy a foreign one, if you want a car that lasts a long time you have to buy foreign. I hear those kinds of ignorant statements all the time. toyota has done it's best to perpetuate those ideas. They are false.
toyota has copied many American car designs for the vehicles they have now. They copied the F150 when they designed the tundra. The Tahoe/Suburban when they did the sequoia. And now since GM is coming out with the Volt, all of a sudden toyota is going to have a plug in hybrid by 2010. That's not innovation, that's copying other people's ingenuity.
The japanese and germans make a good car. But they're not superior to American cars. I've owned all of them and just like the Cadillac I just bought my wife. It's better in every respect than the 5 series BMW we had. Americans, for a very long time, have automatically attached a certain amount of sophistication to anything from europe. A label that many times is wrongly attached.
This has gotten far from the original topic which was toyota's resale value has dropped. I think there are many reasons it's fallen off and like I originally said I think it's mainly due to the economy being off. My sidenote was that toyotas are not all they're cracked up to be.
GM and Ford are doing quite well in the hybrid/alternative fuel areas. Ford's fusion hybrid is kicking the camry hybrid's tail. The Chevrolet Volt is going to change the entire market. toyota has already been trashing GM's technology that they're using in the Volt, because it's a serious threat to their prius. It's a threat because it's BETTER. you'd think with how environmentally friendly toyota is, they would want new and better ideas and technology (you know, for the good of the world). but instead, they're trying to discredit GM's use of lithium ion batteries in the Volt, mainly because they have a huge investment in the market of Nickel metal hydride batteries and they don't want to have to change technologies. I don't like toyota as a company.
The Big 3 are vital to this country as we know it. If they didn't make great cars and trucks...I wouldn't support them. But they make the best cars and trucks in the world and as corporations....they're on their way to becoming better.
Is the fusion even in the same class as the camry?
Environmentaly friendly? Who has more ULEV on the market? Who has more 5 star crash test vehicles out there? Who is making the 5 star safety seal standard on most of their vehicles, including trucks? Head and side curtain airbags, traction control, VSC, 4 wheel anti lock brakes, brake force distribution. If im not mistaken, Toyota has the 5 star safety items in their ENTIRE lineup now. Last i heard, it is optional on most GM'S.
So who's stepping up to the plate more as far as safety for it's CUSTOMER'S ( remember customer is #1)?
The IIHS site shows lots of Toyota vehicles with less than stellar crash test results if you look at years prior to '09. '09 seems to be the first year of standard side airbags, and '08 models without them, like the Corolla for example scored POOR on the side-impact test.
Rear impact head restraint is not to hot as well:
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/head_restraints/headrestraints.aspx?toyota
I guess i should have re-worded the phrase to " at or near the top of 5 star crash tests."
Don't remind me of the 08 corolla. I have one of those.
But for me it's a very good car for bombing around in the city. Gets great mileage, and it will last forever. We bought the best car for the money at the time for fuel economy purposes mainly. But it's always best to drive defensively, and i hope we don't get in an accident with it.
Originally Posted By: 3Toyotas
Originally Posted By: Big_3_Only
Real Americans buy American cars...infamatory?? Chest thumping?? Whatever...
I've never said buying japanese (or german) makes one unpatriotic. I do however believe that making a concerted effort to buy American products, is a patriotic thing to do.
While I think everyone should drive whatever they want, I can't stand people basing those decisions on information that is false. Things like American cars are inferior in quality, if you want a fuel efficent car you have to buy a foreign one, if you want a car that lasts a long time you have to buy foreign. I hear those kinds of ignorant statements all the time. toyota has done it's best to perpetuate those ideas. They are false.
toyota has copied many American car designs for the vehicles they have now. They copied the F150 when they designed the tundra. The Tahoe/Suburban when they did the sequoia. And now since GM is coming out with the Volt, all of a sudden toyota is going to have a plug in hybrid by 2010. That's not innovation, that's copying other people's ingenuity.
The japanese and germans make a good car. But they're not superior to American cars. I've owned all of them and just like the Cadillac I just bought my wife. It's better in every respect than the 5 series BMW we had. Americans, for a very long time, have automatically attached a certain amount of sophistication to anything from europe. A label that many times is wrongly attached.
This has gotten far from the original topic which was toyota's resale value has dropped. I think there are many reasons it's fallen off and like I originally said I think it's mainly due to the economy being off. My sidenote was that toyotas are not all they're cracked up to be.
GM and Ford are doing quite well in the hybrid/alternative fuel areas. Ford's fusion hybrid is kicking the camry hybrid's tail. The Chevrolet Volt is going to change the entire market. toyota has already been trashing GM's technology that they're using in the Volt, because it's a serious threat to their prius. It's a threat because it's BETTER. you'd think with how environmentally friendly toyota is, they would want new and better ideas and technology (you know, for the good of the world). but instead, they're trying to discredit GM's use of lithium ion batteries in the Volt, mainly because they have a huge investment in the market of Nickel metal hydride batteries and they don't want to have to change technologies. I don't like toyota as a company.
The Big 3 are vital to this country as we know it. If they didn't make great cars and trucks...I wouldn't support them. But they make the best cars and trucks in the world and as corporations....they're on their way to becoming better.
Is the fusion even in the same class as the camry?
Environmentaly friendly? Who has more ULEV on the market? Who has more 5 star crash test vehicles out there? Who is making the 5 star safety seal standard on most of their vehicles, including trucks? Head and side curtain airbags, traction control, VSC, 4 wheel anti lock brakes, brake force distribution. If im not mistaken, Toyota has the 5 star safety items in their ENTIRE lineup now. Last i heard, it is optional on most GM'S.
So who's stepping up to the plate more as far as safety for it's CUSTOMER'S ( remember customer is #1)?
The IIHS site shows lots of Toyota vehicles with less than stellar crash test results if you look at years prior to '09. '09 seems to be the first year of standard side airbags, and '08 models without them, like the Corolla for example scored POOR on the side-impact test.
Rear impact head restraint is not to hot as well:
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/head_restraints/headrestraints.aspx?toyota
I guess i should have re-worded the phrase to " at or near the top of 5 star crash tests."
Don't remind me of the 08 corolla. I have one of those.
But for me it's a very good car for bombing around in the city. Gets great mileage, and it will last forever. We bought the best car for the money at the time for fuel economy purposes mainly. But it's always best to drive defensively, and i hope we don't get in an accident with it.
