Titanium is gone

[Lyman]

I just bought this to run in my Escape.

 

[KCJeep]

Castrol and others were using Ti as a Moly alternative, you rarely saw any moly in an oil that had any Ti. I got the impression Ti was cheaper than moly but still worked. Castrol has long had a knack for successful marketing to the masses in a way that rubs the more knowledgeable guys here, that's for sure.

 

[Blagoje]

Castrol and others were using Ti as a Moly alternative, you rarely saw any moly in an oil that had any Ti. I got the impression Ti was cheaper than moly but still worked. Castrol has long had a knack for successful marketing to the masses in a way that rubs the more knowledgeable guys here, that's for sure.

My understanding is that titanium is used as a means to maintain healthy valves but anecdotally I recall reading that it can have a negative interaction with moly in amounts too high.

 

[930.engineering]

I remember reading an interview with a BP/Castrol development engineer some years ago.
He said they prefered using Ti instead of Mo and W (Tungsten) since Ti doesn't darken the
final product (many customers associate dark oil with used oil).
I would also insinuate the term "liquid Titanium" greatly helps with marketing. If I remember
correctly Boron also doesn't tint oil considerably (Shell Helix Ultra AV-L aka Pennzoil Platinum
Euro LX looks crystal clear even though it comes with ~500 ppm of Boron), but it certainly isn't
that administrable for marketing purposes.
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[nomas]

There are people here that will lose sleep over this .

 

[BBDartCA]

Kendall got rid of it as well.
Castrol does still use it in their non-euro black bottle grades, for now at least….

Edge 5-30 Long Life still is marketed as with Titanium. This is a euro oil (doesn’t even have a API approval)

Castrol Edge 5W-30 LL Advanced Full Synthetic Motor Oil, 5 Quarts https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084TCS8FC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_584NHN0VGVEP470B8QNR

 

[Shel_B]

the world’s oldest motor oil gets a facelift

I believe Valvoline was the first motor oil, ergo, the oldest.

 

[Bjornviken]

Belgium (aka German) Castrol 0W-30's bottle no longer shows Titanium. New formula?
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Been a few years in EU. Many Castrol edge formulas lack TI... atleast they dont show in the Uoa. Also they have hard time to compete agaist Mobil1 and Shell.

 

[OVERKILL]

My understanding is that titanium is used as a means to maintain healthy valves but anecdotally I recall reading that it can have a negative interaction with moly in amounts too high.

No, it's an FM, just like Tungsten and Moly.
https://www.osti.gov/biblio/245310

 

[aquariuscsm]

I wonder if moly is the king of anti wear (or maybe zinc)? Or both.

 

[edyvw]

Since BP took over Castrol, it is all about doing minimum to stay relevant. Since SLX (original GC here) they didn’t have something that makes enthusiasts thrilled.

 

[edyvw]

I wonder if moly is the king of anti wear (or maybe zinc)? Or both.

Problem with Zinc is that many vehicles complicated timing chain assembly doesn’t react very well with it.

 

[OVERKILL]

I wonder if moly is the king of anti wear (or maybe zinc)? Or both.

Moly is certainly the most popular, but as you know, there are multiple types of moly. Tungsten seems to be a "thing" for Ravenol, but I don't really know how it compares performance-wise to Moly. Titanium made a showing on a number of oils that I wouldn't consider "expensive" so my impression was that it was potentially a very effective lower-cost option, with other benefits as well.

Moly appears to be synergistic with other additives, perhaps moreso than other FM's, and it strikes me as being more "dynamic" in being able to fulfil other roles, which may be why we are seeing a shift back toward it from companies that did the dance with Titanium compounds? That's just wild posit on my part.

 

[Bjornviken]

Since BP took over Castrol, it is all about doing minimum to stay relevant. Since SLX (original GC here) they didn’t have something that makes enthusiasts thrilled.

Well thats true, but i have allways like the edge 0w-xx. And the 0w-30 C3 is still one of my favorite oils. Think it would be good if Castrol sold this oil to the US.

 

[4WD]

Moly is certainly the most popular, but as you know, there are multiple types of moly. Tungsten seems to be a "thing" for Ravenol, but I don't really know how it compares performance-wise to Moly. Titanium made a showing on a number of oils that I wouldn't consider "expensive" so my impression was that it was potentially a very effective lower-cost option, with other benefits as well.

Moly appears to be synergistic with other additives, perhaps moreso than other FM's, and it strikes me as being more "dynamic" in being able to fulfil other roles, which may be why we are seeing a shift back toward it from companies that did the dance with Titanium compounds? That's just wild posit on my part.

Sure … still a contributor in high end stuff like Amsoil SS …

 

[4WD]

Not Royal Purple! They are still using titanium and it is obvious that it is the reason why it is slightly higher in price than those obviously inferior motor oil products. You get what you pay for with Royal Purple



Castrol Gold Bottle EP still uses it as well.

Had to ditch Royal Purple … expensive dye kept staining the dipstick and I could not tell when low on oil …

 

[Bjornviken]

Had to ditch Royal Purple … expensive dye kept staining the dipstick and I could not tell when low on oil …

Royal Purple no thanks!

 

[edyvw]

Well thats true, but i have allways like the edge 0w-xx. And the 0w-30 C3 is still one of my favorite oils. Think it would be good if Castrol sold this oil to the US.

Yeah, it is good oil. But not as stout as A3/B4 version. And in that category there are some serious options: Mobil1 ESP 0W30 & 5W30, Shell Helix 0W30 etc.

 

[techsurfer]

Forget the 0w-xx, they're just blanket oils that cover every possible temp. scenario. Go for a targeted 5w-30, like Red Line High Performance.

 

[techsurfer]

If you want tungsten, go with Rislone Nano Prime. Works great in my Benz E350.