Tire Suggestion: Goodyear/Michelin

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A few thoughts.

First, the Defender does have the M+S symbol on it. Check the "zoom" picture of this tire on Tire Rack. You can see the "M+S" symbol at about the 8:00 position on the tire, near the bead.

Second, even if it didn't have the M+S symbol, you guys know that there's not an actual performance requirement for that symbol, right? It means nothing, except the fact that there's a sufficient tread-to-void ratio in the tread pattern. The only sidewall marking tha denotes true winter performance (backed up by actual testing) is the RMA's mountain-and-snowflake symbol. Only dedicated winter tires will have that symbol in this size.

That said, I don't know of any tires marketed as "all season" tires that don't have this symbol. The tires that won't have it are tires like competition slicks, etc.

From my experience alone, I'd buy the Michelin Defender 8 days a week. I've never come across a Michelin tire I didn't like. I've been a Michelin customer for a LONG time. I've also bought tires from other brands. I've found that, in general, the added cost of the Michelin buys you consistency. They're not necessarily "better" performers than their peers, but you very rarely get true "duds". Michelins have always balanced better for me than other brands as well.
 
I would ditto just about everything Hokie said. I've had two GY's, two Michelin's, and a high end Bridgestone in the last few years. I think the next time I buy a new car, I'll just work out a tire swap (rather than suffer for 3 years) if the new car comes with GY's again.

Can't tell you how many independent dealers, who have GY's displayed on their floor, have mocked the GY's when they thought no one else was listening.

I'm now a Michelin guy.
 
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Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
I've never come across a Michelin tire I didn't like. I've been a Michelin customer for a LONG time. I've also bought tires from other brands. I've found that, in general, the added cost of the Michelin buys you consistency. They're not necessarily "better" performers than their peers, but you very rarely get true "duds". Michelins have always balanced better for me than other brands as well.


I have to agree with this. Sums up Michelin pretty good. Goodyear makes some really good tires (and some bad ones), as do other tire manufacturers, but Michelin is always consistent. Long tread life, even treadwear, no issues for the life of the tire. You have to own them and completely run them down to fully appreciate this. A lot of people complain about the price without ever owning them and actually seeing the benefits.
 
Originally Posted By: gizzsdad


Can't tell you how many independent dealers, who have GY's displayed on their floor, have mocked the GY's when they thought no one else was listening.

I'm now a Michelin guy.


And I cant count how many numerous customers bad mouth Michelin to us while we put a set of Goodyears on their cars lol. Its the same with any tires, some are good , some not so much. GY makes some tires that I wouldnt wish upon my enemy , and they also make some tires that I trust enough for my loved ones to use them on a daily basis.
 
Originally Posted By: stranger706
Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
I've never come across a Michelin tire I didn't like. I've been a Michelin customer for a LONG time. I've also bought tires from other brands. I've found that, in general, the added cost of the Michelin buys you consistency. They're not necessarily "better" performers than their peers, but you very rarely get true "duds". Michelins have always balanced better for me than other brands as well.


I have to agree with this. Sums up Michelin pretty good. Goodyear makes some really good tires (and some bad ones), as do other tire manufacturers, but Michelin is always consistent. Long tread life, even treadwear, no issues for the life of the tire. You have to own them and completely run them down to fully appreciate this. A lot of people complain about the price without ever owning them and actually seeing the benefits.


I work with two people fighting Michelin over tires literally rotting out (one to the point his car failed inspection). In both cases, the Michelin rep accused (and it very emphatically WAS an accusation!) them of using Armor-All on the tires. Michelin would not lift a finger to help. Their attitude is: Our tires are perfect. If you have a problem, it MUST be your fault, because we have NEVER made a bad tire!

I would rather run four different brands of bald Chinese tires.
 
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
I would rather run four different brands of bald Chinese tires.


Sorry, but if your state inspection fails tires for rot, you SHOULD have a hard time getting bald tires passed them, too.

Good on them for failing a tire for dry rot, though. Few inspections have that level of detail.
 
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
I work with two people fighting Michelin over tires literally rotting out (one to the point his car failed inspection). In both cases, the Michelin rep accused (and it very emphatically WAS an accusation!) them of using Armor-All on the tires.


Did a Michelin employee actually inspect the tires, or did your co-workers take their cars to an authorized Michelin dealer for inspection? The Michelin customer service folks can only go on what the dealer tells them at the time of inspection. If your co-workers are accused of using Armor-All on the tires, then that came from the tire store, not from Michelin directly.
 
Off topic but a good FYI:
Armor-all and most tire shines are petroleum-derived silicone degradants that dehydrate tire rubber compounds causing dry rot. But heck that shine will last for weeks (while collecting dirt) is what some crave, not my liking.

Water-derived tire shines are safer but not readily available off-the-shelf and the shine dosen't last long.
 
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