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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'll run what I see fit based on the time of year and how I plan on using the vehicle. Currently the perfect oil is in the sump.


Hi dp, just in case you're interested in what's recommended here in Australia for your car (It's called a Jeep Cherokee KK series here, same car, same 4.7L V6 engine). I checked the "lube guide" for the following oil companies.

Castrol : Magnatec : 5W40
Penrite : Enviro+ : 5W30 or 5W40
Shell : Helix HX7 AJ : 10W30
Valvoline : Synpower MST : 5W30

Bear in mind that we don't have xW20 readily available here, so those "lube guides" will never recommend it. They will however never recommend an oil that is not suitable or will damage your car. If ever they think they haven't got a suitable oil they just list "see dealer", but that wasn't the case with any of the above.
 
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
No, I don't care. Curiousity is all. And no, I have not read any of your posts that is not related to a direct question I asked you.

So if the boat deal goes down, what oil do you think you will use?



Curiosity? Read my mind, the answer is there.
 
Originally Posted By: uart
If ever they think they haven't got a suitable oil they just list "see dealer", but that wasn't the case with any of the above.


For the 1.4T Cruze thread, Mobil said nothing but dexos, see sealer.
 
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Tried reading your mind. Could not find mind.


Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
No, I don't care. Curiousity is all. And no, I have not read any of your posts that is not related to a direct question I asked you.

So if the boat deal goes down, what oil do you think you will use?



Curiosity? Read my mind, the answer is there.


You'll never know then.
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Then we have poor cylinder head designs forcing three revisions in less than a year, cam phaser issues, timing chain problems, sludge monsters, etc. Funny isn't it? Those engineers knew best though.


I find this interesting on 2 counts:

1) Weren't those sludge monsters run on heavier and conventional oil? The heavier oil didn't give much extra headroom did it? And the newer, lighter oils, in particular 0w20, are synthetic. There's obviously extra headroom from synthetic.

2) It's clear in your statement above that you've just taken the AK47 out and are just firing off randomly. You're trying to take everything engineers have ever done wrong, and cast doubt on all 20 weight oil testing.

Yes of course we can easily say engineers missed things because of blind spots in the name of progress. Yes customers do become the ultimate testers of reliability, otherwise things would never get released. It's the same with any product introduction in the world. You're most likely using a windows operating system. How many bugs over how many decades have there been in that? But you're still using it because net net it's progress.

But the oil testing was a little simpler in scope than introduction and longer term testing of turbos and things like DI. What specific facts do you have to say the oil testing was flawed? Trav said the desert fully loaded towing for 250k with 15k ocis was easy. It seems that's a bigger test than your boat towing adventure.

I can understand that perhaps GM & Chrysler are perhaps the Microsoft of the automotive industry when it comes to TQM, but Toyota, who are using 20 weight extensively, is a little more like Apple. Quality comes first for them and is a cultural foundation that's been developed for over 50 years.

The current expansion of 20 weight oil comes at a time when Mr Toyoda moved the company back to an even stronger emphasis on quality after some quality concerns. They've put out a ridiculous number of recalls on things whose probabilities are so small and it's cost them billions, and they're willing to spend that in the name of quality.

I've studied Toyota pretty deeply as part of work to transfer their quality techniques into other areas of business. Are they infallible? No. But they're pretty much the best at what they do.

You started off denying the testing happened, then you claimed it was not tough enough even though it was far harder than the boat towing trip that we eventually learnt was what got your knickers in a twist in the first place. On several occassions you've been asked to produce proof that the vehicles that ran lighter oil did worse than the enginea that didn't and you can't. Then you were asked to just bring up anecdotal evidence that lighter weight oil was the cause of an engine failure. And it was pointed out to you that so many other issues are reported anecdotally eg oil filters, coolant, so it should be reasonable for you to find oil related failures if the probability was as big a deal as you were making it. But nothing.

And now, you've resorted to just smearing the engineering profession as a whole.

What next? It's the Saudis selling us sub-standard oil? It's the illegal immigrants working at the bottling plant? It's the Russians?
 
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Tried reading your mind. Could not find mind.


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Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8


Read the stuff provided and the really IS Gov't involvement in the move to thin oils. OMG, it's as plain as the nose on your face.


No on ever said otherwise? I just said that it doens't result in a sub-optimal spec, because I haven't seen a shred of evidence that it does. Again, the suggestion is the false dichotomy that a more fuel-efficient oil = more wear. That doesn't seem to be the case.


Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
I'm still going to use what I want. I pay very close attention to oils as longevity is a huge cost consideration here in our fleet. And if a new vehicle recommends a certain oil I will most likely use it, but if my instincts say different it is my vehicle, right? Thus I'll do what I want, and the enviro-weenies can do what they want.

Then everybody is happy!


Me too! Warranty considerations aren't a concern, and frankly neither is fuel economy (as least as far as lubricant choice is concerned). Long-term wear is my biggest concern when choosing a lubricant, which is why I'm using a 0W20 oil in car spec'd for a 20W oil.

I like how you think. In fact, I did my first ever 0w20 oil change today on my 3.0L Accord. Purchased 5 qts. QSUD for $3.20 qt. last year this time at Big Lots, finally got a chance to put it work. Feeling good Louis!
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Originally Posted By: MarkStock


What next? It's the Saudis selling us sub-standard oil? It's the illegal immigrants working at the bottling plant? It's the Russians?


We'll never agree, ever. Now your comments are getting a little ridiculous.
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Now your comments are getting a little ridiculous.


They were inspired by yours, made in November 2012, years after entering into a (taxpayer subsidised) agreement with Chrysler:

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
How's this JOD. I can use whatever oil I want, and still retain the warranty, its really quite simple. I can have my cake and eat it too.
 
Originally Posted By: MarkStock


They were inspired by yours, made in November 2012, years after entering into a (taxpayer subsidised) agreement with Chrysler:



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Are we car bashing?
 
Ok, for the sake of scientific research, next OCI I'm going to use water. This should prove once and for all that thinner is not better.
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint

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Are we car bashing?


You seriously don't see the irony of your position?

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
How's this JOD. I can use whatever oil I want, and still retain the warranty, its really quite simple. I can have my cake and eat it too.
 
Originally Posted By: MarkStock


They were inspired by yours, made in November 2012, years after entering into a (taxpayer subsidised) agreement with Chrysler:




I'm asking about this?
 
You're asking what about what?

The important thing is that you said this even after the taxpayer subsidised your lifetime warranty:

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
How's this JOD. I can use whatever oil I want, and still retain the warranty, its really quite simple. I can have my cake and eat it too.
 
Originally Posted By: MarkStock
You're asking what about what?

The important thing is that you said this even after the taxpayer subsidised your lifetime warranty:

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
How's this JOD. I can use whatever oil I want, and still retain the warranty, its really quite simple. I can have my cake and eat it too.


Is that bothering you?
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: MarkStock
You're asking what about what?

The important thing is that you said this even after the taxpayer subsidised your lifetime warranty:

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
How's this JOD. I can use whatever oil I want, and still retain the warranty, its really quite simple. I can have my cake and eat it too.


Is that bothering you?


Yeah, it makes me want to improve my tax avoidance strategies.

What are you anyway, a shrink? (Don't answer that, it's a rhetorical question).
 
68037-01-4: it is a kind from the PAO family. One kind of PAO. Or am I wrong?

And yes, for Germany EDGE can be different, with more PAO % than the EDGE from other countries. The question however is for the German version - see the picture please.

Castrol wouldn't have named it Vollsyntetisch. Some EDGE products as 5W-40 Turbo diesel are written to be HC on the label for Germany and it is just for Germany
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Originally Posted By: MarkStock
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: MarkStock
You're asking what about what?

The important thing is that you said this even after the taxpayer subsidised your lifetime warranty:

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
How's this JOD. I can use whatever oil I want, and still retain the warranty, its really quite simple. I can have my cake and eat it too.


Is that bothering you?


Yeah, it makes me want to improve my tax avoidance strategies.

What are you anyway, a shrink? (Don't answer that, it's a rhetorical question).


Hire a better CPA.
 
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