The Lyrics charge curve is in and......
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I wish I had more legitimate non-Tesla fast charging in my area. I'd consider it, but I only have 1 and it's too far to make the round trip back for the location I would need to charge to do it with the EV6 GT's range. I'd have to charge in both directions to make it. It would be 210 miles to catch it on the way back, which theoretically could in a perfect world be possible, but that's taking some chances, especially with 70mph speed limit. The alternative is I stop on the way there too, but that's only after driving 90 miles(total round trip is 300 miles). Everything for some reason is 50kW around here except the station I mentioned which is 350kW. There's no in between kW rated that isn't Tesla here. Someone could definitely profit filling the gaps here. It would drastically open up my choices. I like the Tesla, but I don't want to feel like I'm hampered into it as my only option for my second car too if I go EV.
I don’t think that’s entirely true, Dave. I think it’s closer to BITOG is a “let me decide for myself on what I’m going to drive” site, especially because a huge percentage of members are DIYers.
Where I live now and the driving I do, EV would be huge inconvenience. But, if I still lived in NW Indiana and commuted in/around the Chicagoland area, an EV may make sense as a second car, especially considering the incentives, closer parking spots, and occasional free charging.
I don’t think EVs will have true market appeal until even the basic EVs can either go 500+ miles on a single charge, or recharge at the 20-80% rate in less than 15 minutes. Even though EVs have been around for nearly 130 years, battery technology just isn’t enough yet to match or overshadow hydrocarbons for ease of use IMO.
A lot of it has been a lot more negative than it needs to be. My favorite catchphrase lately has been "the Chicoms".
I'll be 100% honest here though some might not believe it. This is far from the first time I've said this though. For a family car EV has worked very well for us. I don't think it is any surprise that I really like EVs. I still don't think my personal next daily will be an EV. The family car will be, it makes sense and it covers our trips out of town perfectly how we've used it, plus I get to use it for my personal use plenty still. It's not really down to range or charging for the reason, though that may help it with certain models. It's just that my favorite type of car doesn't exist in EV form and part of me wants one of the last manuals while I can get it. Even if EVs don't take over completely, the manual has been a dying breed for years.
Sometimes I don't think I help the EV cause all that well for a guy that likes EVs.
I just love cars so much that I'd prefer any car I own to be a completely difference experience than the next one.
Ya know, if they had actually wanted EVs to really take off, when they were repaving & relaying sections of interstates they would have done the road beds like the autobahn to reduce/eliminate cracking, and laid high voltage cabling in the straight/flat stretches of say 5 miles, and used induction charging to help the EVs. Even at picking up only maybe 2-3% of charge in that 5 miles, it would offset most of the energy used to travel to the next induction charger, GREATLY extending the range of even subpar EVs.I'll be 100% honest here though some might not believe it. This is far from the first time I've said this though. For a family car EV has worked very well for us. I don't think it is any surprise that I really like EVs. I still don't think my personal next daily will be an EV. The family car will be, it makes sense and it covers our trips out of town perfectly how we've used it, plus I get to use it for my personal use plenty still. It's not really down to range or charging for the reason, though that may help it with certain models. It's just that my favorite type of car doesn't exist in EV form and part of me wants one of the last manuals while I can get it. Even if EVs don't take over completely, the manual has been a dying breed for years.
Sometimes I don't think I help the EV cause all that well for a guy that likes EVs.
I know, I know, it’s crazy. But as Daniel Burnham said, “Make no little plans; they have no magic to stir men`s blood and probably themselves will not be realized. Make big plans; aim high in hope and work, remembering that a noble, logical diagram once recorded will never die, but long after we are gone will be a living thing, asserting itself with ever- growing insistency. Remember that our sons and grandsons are going to do things that would stagger us. Let your watchword be order and your beacon beauty.”
I honestly think this is why Elon has been successful, even discounting the push of free subsidies… he envisions CRAZY BIG ideas, and then recruits people who are drawn to the idea. Necessity is the mother of invention, and if the employees don’t see the necessity, the vision will never materialize… look at what happened to Detroit when they gave up on being the worlds’ best automakers…
I know it's been mentioned many times and I find induction charging to be very interesting, but the same people that complain about birds being killed by windmills will go on about the squirrels that get cooked between the car charging and the road surface. Still freakin' cool tech. You make a great point though. Even if range was subpar, which would also likely save weight of the vehicle it would make adoption of EVs that much easier and less of an inconvenience. Less weight, more efficient, and less expensive for using less battery in those cases. There's definitely room for improvement.
The market is weird. It's funny how quickly things can change seemingly overnight. Detroit is an excellent example. It's sad what happened to that city. It was a point of pride in our auto industry. Auto manufacture there is almost non existent compared to what it used to be.
In my experience, everyone here flat out loves EVs and adores Elon. Right? Ha!
He kinda threw almost everybody that loved him for a loop once he started expressing his political opinions, didn’t he?
Almost overnight they became mortal enemies!
I've only ever said nice things about that Musk guy.
He's wack. He's also the richest man in the world, the richest capitalist ever to walk the earth.He kinda threw almost everybody that loved him for a loop once he started expressing his political opinions, didn’t he?
I've only ever said nice things about that Musk guy.
Obviously I don't love everything he does and I know you don't either even if it's more than I do, but it's very hard to fault his success and I know that's the point you're making. I don't hate him, that's for sure.
That dip in the middle, looks like they screw up some control algorithm and has to turn off / on something. If it is not because someone plug in another car nearby and the station has to slow you down, that's just half baked engineering.
He's a just another mildly autistic troll who can't keep his pants on.
That's an image.
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Forget induction charging and better chargers and batteries, this is a proven technology:
The technology is great. I think the problem we run into is the problem that the vehicles would be privately owned and adds some other legal ramifications.
Hey, I know!
How many of us here don't have at least a couple of cars?
For trips that don't suit the EV or seem too inconvenient for it, just take the gasser.
Of the 18K+ or so I've done each year with the HAH, about 15K of those would have been fine with an EV.
Wifey could have used an EV for every mile she drove even prior to her retirement.
The limitations of EVs do not preclude their being practical and very cheap to run for most of the miles most of us do.
Charging rate is simply not a factor when you can leave the house every morning on a full charge.
How many of us here don't have at least a couple of cars?
For trips that don't suit the EV or seem too inconvenient for it, just take the gasser.
Of the 18K+ or so I've done each year with the HAH, about 15K of those would have been fine with an EV.
Wifey could have used an EV for every mile she drove even prior to her retirement.
The limitations of EVs do not preclude their being practical and very cheap to run for most of the miles most of us do.
Charging rate is simply not a factor when you can leave the house every morning on a full charge.
It's not entirely true, but it mostly is and thats ok.
No one's telling me what to drive and I dont believe mandates will stick, but I get that rage and share it. I just dont think it has teeth.
The governments been telling us what to drive for decades, go buy a 2 stroke street bike, a DEF free diesel, a 5 speed big block bench seat car if you think otherwise.
I could care less what anyone else feels about EV any more than they do about GM, Hondas, or cherry pie.
Especially a guy that has no experience, doesn't know anything about them outside of what fits their narrative which is often wrong or distorted.
They just cant share much knowledge and get stuck on association tropes that dont apply, while losing their minds when people do the same thing to them.
The association game many here play is utterly juvenile. Saying anyone that likes a tesla or electric car loves Elon Musk, or believes they will save world is something I read endlessly here, and its just as stupid as saying all gun owners are fanatics, or jewish people are all thieves, and on an on with the tropes.
These same guys have decided improving our grid is an insurmountable obstacle, but somehow think we dont actually have a huge problem today with oil.
They give no answers to these problems, have no solutions while selectively whining about little subsidies.
I've had one car that could go 500 miles on a tank, and never once drove that far, I wonder how many really do?
Ease of use is in the eye of the beholder so I appreciate your IMO at the end.
