The Lyrics charge curve is in and......

[UncleDave]

It blows.

20-80 is an agonizing 40 minutes.

Look at that drop off.

So far the general is a huge disspointment.

 

[Ws6]

Well...yeah?

 

[dogememe]

Hope they can fix that with software updates

 

[Ws6]

Hope they can fix that with software updates

Its probably not broken. Thats just how 400v cars are. Slow.

 

[Rand]

Why is it throttling.
is this because it was charging on asphalt at 118f ambient?

tons of questions. Is this repeatable. would it charge this fast if you were there at night and 55f?

A couple charts with no test conditions or a link is a very info lacking post.

 

[Cujet]

Its probably not broken. Thats just how 400v cars are. Slow.

I am curious as to why that should be? Clearly, "if" the cells could take the same rate that it starts at, the charging would be considerably faster. But maybe I'm missing something. I think the limitation is cell and lifespan related, not voltage related.

 

[Ws6]

I am curious as to why that should be? Clearly, "if" the cells could take the same rate that it starts at, the charging would be considerably faster. But maybe I'm missing something. I think the limitation is cell and lifespan related, not voltage related.

400V is old technology and is not able to keep pace with 800V architecture. Congrats to GM for coming out with circa 2013 architecture in 2023, lol

 

[supton]

I'm guessing we should ignore that sudden dropout, and focus on the curve, minus that dip? If the dip didn't occur, would it be a 30min charge from 20 to 80%?

About 97kWhr to charge from 20% to 80%. 162kWhr battery?

 

[Cujet]

400V is old technology and is not able to keep pace with 800V architecture. Congrats to GM for coming out with circa 2013 architecture in 2023, lol

I get that. but the individual cell charge rate seems to be the limiting factor.

 

[UncleDave]

Why is it throttling.
is this because it was charging on asphalt at 118f ambient?

tons of questions. Is this repeatable. would it charge this fast if you were there at night and 55f?

A couple charts with no test conditions or a link is a very info lacking post.

Who knows.

Guy claims it looks like a thermal event but there was no way to tell.

Cars are relatively new so info is just now coming out.

https://insideevs.com/news/676839/cadillac-lyriq-fast-charge-test/

 

[UncleDave]

400V is old technology and is not able to keep pace with 800V architecture. Congrats to GM for coming out with circa 2013 architecture in 2023, lol

Teslas seem to keep pace just fine.

 

[AZjeff]

A couple charts with no test conditions or a link is a very info lacking post.

Exactly. One charge event for one vehicle has little value other than fan the EV hate flames if that's what this is.

Link to where the charts came from?

 

[UncleDave]

Exactly. One charge event for one vehicle has little value other than fan the EV hate flames if that's what this is.

Link to where the charts came from?

It's in post 10.

It's a known charge point used for multiple vehicles by an experienced guy.

Guys that follow Ev's recognize the logo in the charts.
BITOG is basically an anti EV site so few to none recognize the logo.

 

[UncleDave]

I hope this is a one off - I actually like the Lyric and Blazer, and if they perform would consider buying them.

 

[Ws6]

Teslas seem to keep pace just fine.

Not with modern technology they don't.

 

[UncleDave]

Not with modern technology they don't.
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In the real world here's how fast the cars make a 1000Km trip.

Let's look at some 3rd party tests.

Hyundai does better than most, but is not the road trip king.

The top spots are not dominated by 800V card but 400V cars.

 

[ecotourist]

Not with modern technology they don't.
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Impressive. New technology wins the rate of charge race.

Battery life is a different issue. We know that Tesla does well on that.

 

[UncleDave]

Impressive. New technology wins the rate of charge race.

Battery life is a different issue. We know that Tesla does well on that.

There are lots of variables, a less efficienct vehicle can charge faster but may not actually be able to travel as far.

What sacrifices might be made in order to charge faster? The hyundai /kia cannot maintain its cabin temp on a hot day when fast charging.

 

[Ws6]

In the real world here's how fast the cars make a 1000Km trip.

Let's look at some 3rd party tests.

Hyundai does better than most, but is not the road trip king.

The top spots are not dominated by 800V card but 400V cars.

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More goes into that card than just charging speed.

 

[Ws6]

There are lots of variables, a less efficienct vehicle can charge faster but may not actually be able to travel as far.

What sacrifices might be made in order to charge faster? The hyundai /kia cannot maintain its cabin temp on a hot day when fast charging.

A worthy compromise considering I'm usually in the building eating while this is going on.