The Forester at 50K

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The Foreater has now done 50K from new.
We bought the car in August '08 for my wife.
We looked at an Accord EX, which would have had similar features, like 17" alloys and a Sunroof as well as similar space for four.
She also wanted an automatic, her first.
She liked the high seating position of the Forester as well as the good outward visibility.
I had always kind of wanted a Subaru and I thought that my wife would really like the AWD on really bad winter days.
So, we bought it.
Handling is generally pretty good, with none of the lean that you might expect from such a tall package.
It can be cornered pretty agressively.
Ride quality is good, although it is not nearly as quiet as an Accord.
Acceleration is weaker than you might expect from 170 bhp, but it is hobbled by the very slow and soft shifting automatic.
A 5 spd Forester would certainly be much quicker.
The automatic gives ~25 mph/K in top.
Top speed appears to be limited to about 100 mph, although the car would undoubtedly go faster without any limitation.
Fuel economy has averaged about 24 mpg, not too good but not too awful.
The car required no service under warranty and has since needed no repairs.
I have had to replace the rear brake pads, an easy and quick task. This was at about 45K, which is typical according to the Subie boards I've visited.
The OEM Geolander G95s are due for replacement, with the worst tires down to about 4/32, too little tread with winter on the way. These have been decent tires in every way.
I've got a set of Pure Contacts ready to mount.
Overall, we've been very happy with the Forester.
It works and it has a strong utilitarian bent, which we like.
As for the styling, it has grown on me over time.
To anyone considering a Subie, I think you'd be very pleased with one as a daily driver.
 
Glad to hear, hope to here a similarly charming report at 100k.

Please report back on the PureContacts, really curious what your thoughts are on them. A friend had a set on his 2012 Prius briefly and said they were stickier and more responsive than my favorite Primacy MXM4s.

I'll also be doing a 50k report on my Prius shortly...at 49.5k now.
 
Originally Posted By: HerrStig
DO they ALL come with stickers for left wing causes on the back?


No, although we kept finding rainbow stickers on the back, and my wife starting getting attention from certain women.
It got worse when I bought her a pair of Dr. Marten boots for winter to match mine (the boot part is true).
We fixed all of this by getting a Rush (not the band) sticker to put on the back, along with one for some guy named "Romney".
I think he used to run Rambler, but that was a long time ago.
 
At 100K, I'll no doubt be lamenting what a timing belt job is going to run, although anyone buying a car with a two bank timing belt engine should be aware of this from the get go.
I'll post what we think of the Pures after a couple of thousand and a couple of snows.
They should be grippier than the Geolanders.
What's surprising about the Geolanders is how well they worked in the rain and snow, considering their very non-agressive tread pattern and H speed rating.
If they'd been around $120 each, I'd have bought another set.
The cheapest I found them was $172.00.
I thought that I could probably buy better tires for that kind of money.
I did consider the Primacy MXV4, which I have on the '99 Accord, but I've never tried Continental tires and wanted to.
 
Thanks for posting. If I were in the market for a vehicle in that segment the Forester would be high on my list. I like the "utilitarian bent" (as you say) that Subarus tend to have -- this is one of the reasons I like my WRX over its competition. They feel utilitarian but nice enough, tend to have have IMO probably the best ride/handling compromise in their price class, and mechanically seem reasonably well design and robust (aside from the reputation the 2.5 N/A headgaskets have.

Some people consider that they're a little behind the times in some ways (not the quietest or nicest car) but I feel like they still have more character than lots of newer cars do.

Their newest commercials and ad tag-line are pretty annoying though!
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
At 100K, I'll no doubt be lamenting what a timing belt job is going to run, although anyone buying a car with a two bank timing belt engine should be aware of this from the get go.


OTOH, as long as the timing belts are, they're pretty easy to get to. When I hit 100k in my WRX (in several years) I think I'll be pretty comfortable doing it myself. It may not be as easy as a SOHC 1995 Civic, but it sure beats any FWD V6, or a 2.0T (TSI or FSI? whichever is the one with the belt IIRC) in an Audi. Pop out the radiator (have to change the coolant anyway!) and there's plenty of room in front of the engine.
 
Looking under the hood, access looks pretty good.
I may do the job myself, since most of the cost is labor, and it would be a very satisfying project.
Remove the rad?
Why not, since the coolant will need to be drained and replaced anyway.
Now you've got me thinking.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Looking under the hood, access looks pretty good.
I may do the job myself, since most of the cost is labor, and it would be a very satisfying project.
Remove the rad?
Why not, since the coolant will need to be drained and replaced anyway.
Now you've got me thinking.


Is this engine related in any way to the 2.5 in the outbacks? There was a thread over on iATN recently where the guys were joking that the oil leaks and headgaskets are so bad (even in the 08 and 09s) that they told their customers to wait until the oil leaks are horrific, and do the headgasket, t-belt and gaskets all at the same time.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Looking under the hood, access looks pretty good.
I may do the job myself, since most of the cost is labor, and it would be a very satisfying project.
Remove the rad?
Why not, since the coolant will need to be drained and replaced anyway.
Now you've got me thinking.



My dad's got a 1999 Legacy and ended up having to replace the camshaft seals. I think he managed to do the whole thing in a day without too much problem. I got the radiator idea from him -- the Legacy has plenty of room under the hood (its EJ22 is SOHC which helps) and removing the radiator was probably optional. Looking at my WRX, it looks like removing the rad would help a ton. I imagine the Forester is somewhere in between.

One of the things I like about Subaru's engine bay packaging (the ones I've seen anyway) is that the radiator will lift out easily because it's not covered by a bunch of trim like a lot of newer cars are.

It seems like the tricky part is keeping all the cams aligned and making sure you don't rotate anything in the wrong direction, but there are so many videos on youtube covering this process on the EJ25 it's ridiculous.
 
These cars use the same engine.
I haven't seen a lot of complaints about either HG failures or oil leaks in Subie forums for the later 2.5s, so we'll see.
 
Thanks for the report fd.

I'm only at ~20Kmi so far with my 2012 Legacy, but equally as pleased. It's fun to drive. My only complaint is you have to make constant corrections to the wheel at highway speeds with even slight cross-winds, but word has it- it's due to the OEM Bridgestone Turdanza tires.

FWIW, I have a brother who's got a new 2012 Forester. Only difference is it's got a FB25 engine, but still has the 4EAT. He's a Soob guy anyway, but loves the thing.

Joel
 
Good report. I just turned 134k miles on my '05 Forester. It has been very reliable. I average about 26 mpg in mixed driving (24 in winter) with the 5 speed MT.

The only complaint I have is the timing belt replacement cost was steep.
 
The transmission really isn't all that great, but it is a very smooth shifter up or down.
It's just very slow in shifting.
The Forster tracks pretty well, but not as well as a Honda.
The OEM Geolanders on the Forester have been very good.
The base car on 16" wheels and other tires is not nearly as good, FWIR.
 
Nice report. I hope that our '11 is as reliable as yours. I really wanted the 5MT but the wife was worried about snowy hills (we plan to move to Vermont next year).

I don't care much for the 4EAT transmission either. We took a trip up to north Georgia over Thanksgiving and I towed my motorcycle up there. It was very eager to downshift at VERY modest inclines and it really became annoying. I figure the extra load from the trailer caused it but the trailer/bike combo only weighs an estimated 1200 pounds.

I'm still happy with the Forester overall.
 
You'll probably also enjoy good relaibility with your Forester.
Does the '11 have the timing chain engine?
That will save you the cost of a t-belt service some years down the road.
The automatic isn't all that great, but at least seems to be pretty durable.
I haven't seen much indication of Subaru automatic failures.
At least Subaru included a drain plug, and the spin-on filter is a nice feature.
 
My mom is beyond happy with a 2000 Forester 4eat with 160k.

The only problems are alternator and some wheel bearings in all that time.
 
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
You'll probably also enjoy good relaibility with your Forester.
Does the '11 have the timing chain engine?


I sure hope so. Yes, and I believe that it's the first year with the timing chain.

I would have jumped at the opportunity to buy the boxer diesel if only it was available here.
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Incidentally, I believe that the diesel is not available in the US because the 4EAT can't handle the torque of the diesel and Subaru correctly believes that Americans generally don't want stick shift SUV's.
 
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