Tesla is struggling to turn Cybertruck reservations into buyers.

[alarmguy]

Not sure if it’s been mentioned, thread hasn’t interested me except this release, CyberTruck will not have a low cost $60,000 version.

Starting price is 100k

I assume that would be an issue with a lot of “reservations” converting to buyers.

BTW - you no longer need a reservation to buy a CyberTruck

 

[captainbeandip]

I wonder how much longer before they pull the plug? I compare the Cyber truck to the Pontiac Aztec, which is regarded by some to be one of the worst automotive failures of all time. The Aztec was made between 2001-2005, with a grand total of about 119,000 of them produced.

So far it looks like Tesla has made about 12,000 Cyber trucks. How long will they keep trying to plow forward before deciding enough is enough?

Of course I realize that Pontiac was a major auto manufacturer at the time, and so far Tesla is just a niche/boutique one, so trying to compare total number of vehicles produced might not be completely fair, but I still I can't help but to see some similarities.

 

[demarpaint]

I wonder how much longer before they pull the plug? I compare the Cyber truck to the Pontiac Aztec, which is regarded by some to be one of the worst automotive failures of all time. The Aztec was made between 2001-2005, with a grand total of about 119,000 of them produced.

So far it looks like Tesla has made about 12,000 Cyber trucks. How long will they keep it going before deciding enough is enough?

Of course I realize that Pontiac was a major auto manufacturer at the time, and so far Tesla is just a niche/boutique one, so trying to compare total number of vehicles produced might not be completely fair, but I still I can't help but to see some similarities.

A failure is a bitter pill for someone like Elon to swallow, stay tuned.

 

[Jetronic]

Are Cybertrucks also made in Germany…. or just here in Texas ?

This will be a major Tesla failure.

Don't think the cybertruck is really sellable in Europe. You'd need a truck driver license for it (unless the max weight is capped to 3499kg), and a lot of surface roads are off limits to vehicles over 3500 kg. And these are 3000 kg or more empty. There's also speed limits in effect when towing over 750 kg, 55mph at best, but could be under 50 mph.

 

[Jetronic]

There are requirements but I think over a certain weight they are different. I think it's interesting that a few years ago Tesla paid to have several models crash tested by the NHTSA and notably the iihs which is more stringent. Tesla went on about how well they did yet they done seem to want to show how well (or poorly) the Cybertruck did. I know that heavy pick up trucks must pass a roll over simulation test but it really doesn't simulate a roll over. The test involves a hydraulic ram that pushes down on the cab at a 45 degree angle with 1.5 times the weight of the vehicle.
A second thing is that manufacturers would have to show somehow that they pass all safety regulations or how can the government tell me that importing a Citroen or Mitsuoka doesn't pass us regulations?

Besides the obvious protection of the market? It's going to be emmisions requirements

 

[Sedin26]

I wonder how much longer before they pull the plug? I compare the Cyber truck to the Pontiac Aztec, which is regarded by some to be one of the worst automotive failures of all time. The Aztec was made between 2001-2005, with a grand total of about 119,000 of them produced.

So far it looks like Tesla has made about 12,000 Cyber trucks. How long will they keep trying to plow forward before deciding enough is enough?

Of course I realize that Pontiac was a major auto manufacturer at the time, and so far Tesla is just a niche/boutique one, so trying to compare total number of vehicles produced might not be completely fair, but I still I can't help but to see some similarities.

I loved our Aztec!!
Haven’t seen one on the road for years now..

 

[paqza]

They jacked up the price, reduced the range, and reduced the versatility. It was originally announced as a 6-seater starting at $39,990, which made it really attractive, aesthetics aside. That's not what's available.

 

[97prizm]

They jacked up the price, reduced the range, and reduced the versatility. It was originally announced as a 6-seater starting at $39,990, which made it really attractive, aesthetics aside. That's not what's available.

And now according to a few Tesla owners Tesla isn't accepting Cybertrucks in on trade. A First Edition owner went to trade his First Edition for a cyberbeast (stupid name). He was told by the sales consultant that from the higher ups Tesla isn't taking Cybertrucks on trade. There.are a few articles relating to this.

 

[jcy]

Haters are going to say this is AI:

 

[Brons2]

$80K to $100K [give or take] stainless steel dumpsters on wheels are a tough sell is my bet.

$80 to $100K is a tough sell period, no matter what kind of vehicle it is. The mass market does not have that kind of coin.

 

[Dave Hess]

For $100K I would rather have a BMW or Benz.

Much better quality and engineering.

 

[UncleDave]

$80 to $100K is a tough sell period, no matter what kind of vehicle it is. The mass market does not have that kind of coin.

Thanks to 179 and accelerated depreciation they are more affordable than the sticker would suggest.

I think we're at 60K in year one now.

This is likely the automotive industries biggest subsidy.

 

[Torrid]

$80 to $100K is a tough sell period, no matter what kind of vehicle it is. The mass market does not have that kind of coin.

It's not my market. My ceiling has been $50k for many years. As much as I like the Integra Type S I refuse to spend $50k+ on it. I'd buy the Model 3 Performance(with the credit), another GTI, or the Golf R while it's still $47k. I just don't like anything enough to part with more than that. It doesn't make sense with depreciation to me.

I could make triple what I do now, I'm not paying $80k for a depreciating asset. If I find the wherewithal to spend that much on a car it will be older, classic, and likely to gain value.

 

[demarpaint]

$80 to $100K is a tough sell period, no matter what kind of vehicle it is. The mass market does not have that kind of coin.

True, but imo that electric dumpster on wheels is a tougher sell than other vehicles in that price range.

 

[JeffKeryk]

True, but imo that electric dumpster on wheels is a tougher sell than other vehicles in that price range.

#1 selling electric truck.
I wouldn't buy one...

 

[Brons2]

They jacked up the price, reduced the range, and reduced the versatility. It was originally announced as a 6-seater starting at $39,990, which made it really attractive, aesthetics aside. That's not what's available.

Yep, exactly. They'd sell a lot of these on price and capability if it was like what was originally announced back in 2018ish or whenever it was.

 

[dishdude]

For $100K I would rather have a BMW or Benz.

Much better quality and engineering.

Exactly, $100k buys a heck of a nice car, why would you waste it on this piece of junk?

 

[demarpaint]

#1 selling electric truck.
I wouldn't buy one...

Yes the #1 selling electric truck. The gas guzzling F150 still takes the title, with 750K units in 2023. IIRC Tesla sold a little over 11550 in 2024 so far. I have a feeling they aren't taking the title for #1 selling truck anytime soon. That tells me a lot of people still want the gas guzzling ICE trucks. Here's something we agree on though, I wouldn't buy a CT either.

 

[demarpaint]

Exactly, $100k buys a heck of a nice car, why would you waste it on this piece of junk?

+1!

 

[Brons2]

#1 selling electric truck.
I wouldn't buy one...

I have seen Lightnings discounted below 50K on local lots, that makes a lot more sense to me than even thinking about a Cybertruck, if considered on price alone.

Of course, the Cybertruck has a lot more going against it than just the price. It looks like some weird object from some 8 bit 80s video game. The Lightning looks like a normal F-150.

That said I don't carry stuff in a truck often enough to buy a truck, and the Lightning, like many larger EVs, is pretty inefficient per Kwh. You will get less than 2.0 miles per Kwh at realistic freeway speeds and of course if it's really hot or cold or windy, that will be further reduced. And then spiraling bad to worse, a large battery pack takes a long time to charge. The higher voltage architectures help somewhat, but the Lightning doesn't have that. The Silverado EV does, but those are a lot more expensive.

Trucks in general are not a very good use case for EVs at the current existing battery densities. A hybrid truck that captured braking energy and helped with takeoff from a stop, normal hybrid stuff, is probably the best that can be done for the moment. Fully electric trucks are a lifestyle item at this time. And I say this being an EV owner, and looking for another.

If you have a lot of time, you can watch this series about Out of Spec motoring "racing" 4 EV trucks across the country empty and the challenges they encounter:

Part 1:
Part 2:
Part 3: (can't seem to find it at the moment, maybe a copyright issue)
Part 4: