No, we should all pay attention and drive the car. Not expect the car's automation to drive for us. Put away the phone, take out the earbuds, etc.
Tesla has the highest death rate of any manufacturer
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I never said opinion was fact and I never said data is a bias. It is what you choose to do with data that can show bias.
By the way, I am pretty good at data generation, prep and analysis. This was my career for a multi billion Silicon Valley company; my work made me an insider. And believe you me my numbers were challenged!
Top level numbers rarely offer viable conclusions. You have to dig deeper to glean meaning.
Top level numbers' job is to pave the way for well thought out, harder questions. You have to challenge results; that's called being objective.
I hope this helps.
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Yeah we know all that.
Yes we know data is like a bikini, shows a lot but covers most important parts.
Yet, based on this data there is an investigation as why that is happening.
I didn’t say that Tesla is unsafe bcs. crash tests. What is then something that Tesla has and others don’t? Different ergonomics, reinventing wheel. Also, reason why EU stop that nonsense.
But, I am all ears if you think something else miggt be contributing factor.
I don't make assumptions without evidence to support them, that's your game.
Since you asked, here's my thoughts:
If I were to objectively challenge these statistics, the 1st questions I would ask is, "Was the Tesla (or whatever car) driver at fault?" Regarding distraction, I would ask, "What specifically was the distraction?" "Were there contributing factors?"
Distracted driving is a huge problem, especially when combined with speeding, drinking, etc.
Distracted driving includes, but is not limited to, texting while driving, operating another handheld device while driving, driving with the music blaring, talking to backseat passengers while driving, eating while driving and more.
The one common factor appears to be driver error, right?
The goal of analytics is to draw meaningful conclusions, not to throw stones at the 1st thing we see. In statistics we learn you cannot assume a cause-and-effect relationship between variables based just on an observed correlation. Just because two variables are correlated does not mean that one causes the other.
Again, I hope this helps.
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Finally someone gets it.
I think of it the same way, but I know it isn't even close to being that way. A lot of hype, but it falls short on delivering the goods by a long way. A big no thanks for me.
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The one common factor for ALL vehicles is drinking, texting, drugs.
What Tesla has and others don’t is FSD, “Autopilot,” different ergonomics.
Unless you think Tesla owners are disproportionately alcoholics and drug users. I highly doubt.
You have totally missed the point. I answered your questions. A one track mind is called bias.
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True, but that would require taking responsibility for one's actions.
From the highest level of government down, that's a virtue which is void from today's society.
Although I remain hopeful that this will change.
Oh man, that gets me. I see so many people driving with earbuds in. Did the car not come equipped with a radio? I'm shocked by the amount of modern cars where people are talking on a cell phone, especially higher end vehicles that definitely have Bluetooth. With the lack of care and the lack of understanding of one's own vehicle I don't think it's much of a surprise some of the accidents that do happen.
It baffles me.
Poor Tesla drivers are victims of road rage.
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Lol sure.
I am wondering why would Tesla drivers be more distracted? It is like having just big screen on a side to do all tasks might have to do something with it?
Or they just drink and use drugs more.
I've had it happen a couple of times where people just couldn't contain themselves and it had nothing to do with how traffic is flowing. The whole "drop a gear and disappear" thing is even more fluid, since you don't have to drop a gear to do so!
On the mild end you just get the finger occasionally. People are just wrapped in their own little world and it doesn't take much to get under their skin. Sometimes just seeing a Tesla pisses them off.
I have a friend that has a blue F150 and thought I saw him going the opposite direction of me a couple months back. I see a middle finger come out the window, so now I'm sure it's him. I send him a message talking smack right back and he informs me it wasn't him and he hasn't left home all day. Seriously, that's the kind of weirdness that comes up from some people.
I fully believe it's what I said before. People do the same things as some other drivers, but they're not used to having that much power on tap. It's a pretty messy accident when you add speed to a situation that a driver doesn't have the capability of handling because they don't possess that skill set.
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Clearly from my posts, I also believe in corporate and personal responsibility. To use your very logic, if there is a warning in the manual that the driver should not solely rely on self driving your argument fails, no? Failure to accept the clearly written warnings in your owners manual is the fault of the manufacturer? A looong stretch to me.
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Tesla is not THAT cheap. And it became cheaper only recently.
That is why comparison per billion driven miles is important. Other EV’s have bunch of power too. Than you have ICE vehicles with bunch of power.
We don’t compare overall number of accidents, because I bet more Camry’s are in accidents as there are more of them. But, it is important to compare it per driven miles so you can actually compare it.
It is like death rates in countries. It is per driven miles not overall death rate.
Considering you can get the fastest Model Y for the same price as an average hybrid crossover I'm going to say that's pretty cheap in the grand scheme of things. There are some fast ICE vehicles too and they're nowhere near as fast as a performance level Tesla unless you're buying something high end. I do think that's a concern.
Ok expert, what do you think it's causing all this to happen? I was starting to agree with some of the stuff you were posting here but it's probably time for you to get back to speaking from your rectum.
For what @MRC01 is saying, I don't think it's the fault of Tesla, it's a legitimate problem in the Tesla community. I'm constantly lambasted and discredited by the Tesla community for speaking out about the issues with FSD and they do say so much as that it's just for the law requirements. Somehow I have mine set up wrong according to them and that the car won't do the things I claim I've seen it do and that I have seen plainly with my own two eyes. It will flat out break the law on it's own and on certain settings will just decide it's ok to do 15mph over the speed limit. You can even use the right scroll wheel on the steering wheel to lower the maximum allowed speed and 5 minutes later it'll slowly creep up to speed. I cannot trust the system to not give me a ticket. The next setting down regularly has it running 8-10mph below the posted speed on the freeway with the top limit set to be no more than 5mph above the speed limit. I feel this 8-10mph below the speed limit when it's below the flow of traffic is dangerous. I will say it's not like 15mph over was the flow of traffic at the time, it was trying to pass everyone.
Tesla isn't to blame for any of this directly since they do give all of the warnings for using the software, but you just can't help protect some people from themselves.
But the manual is inconsistent. The feature is called "full self-driving". The dictionary definition of "full" is "Containing all that is normal or possible; complete in every particular". Combine that with "self-driving" and the literal definition of the words imply you should be able to take a nap while the car drives you to your destination. Now later in the manual it warns you shouldn't rely on it. Is the self-driving really "full" or not "full"? What is one to believe?
The Tesla corporation is being irresponsible using such misleading words to describe this feature. And their drivers are being irresponsible for not interpreting the self-contradictory manual in a more reasonable way.
I agree the name is dumb and misleading, but it could be named something along the lines of BlueCruise or SuperCruise and the fanbase would still hype it up to the level of stupidity I see daily.
