Tesla Christmas Road Trip - Battery needed frequent re-charging - Range Estimates were 50% to 69% off

[alarmguy]

Come on man you're making sense here!! When an EV can charge as quickly and reliably as I can gas up, and without me having to give it anymore thought than looking at a gas gauge and pulling into one of the tens of thousands of gas stations spread out over the USA maybe we can talk, until then no thanks.

Thank you, funny how much convenient the "old ice" vehicle can be in many cases. Like I said, I wouldnt have much against EVs except the agenda of ignoring limitations and me paying for other people to buy them. They can and will fill a place in the USA, vehicles of all types do, including golf carts. But battery operated cars are not the holy grail, EVs might be one day if something like H2 could be feasible (as an example) meaning have their own power source that can be conveniently and quickly refueled.

Currently depending on use, an EV is like going from a jet plane to a single engine propeller plane in many cases as outlined in the OP. Going backwards to a time when it took longer to get from point A to Point B. How is that advancement?
It's not, it's an agenda

 

[UncleDave]

I cant find the model year for the cr long term tester, but did all model y have the octovalve or was that introduced later into production. That would explain the poor cold range

I "think" the heat pump & octovalve came in model year 21.

 

[UncleDave]

Come on man you're making sense here!! When an EV can charge as quickly and reliably as I can gas up, and without me having to give it anymore thought than looking at a gas gauge and pulling into one of the tens of thousands of gas stations spread out over the USA maybe we can talk, until then no thanks.

.....you both "forgot" about the most convenient fuel station of all - a home. There's millions upon million of these.

All this focus on road trips ignores the fact that as long as you can charge at home, the convenience factor flips to the EV in spades.

 

[wpod]

I watched the video. It's not horrible, as he clearly admits he does not know what he is doing. Some experience here would help.
I'd not expect a modestly priced EV with a modestly sized battery, to "shine" on a road trip.
By now ALL of us here know it takes longer to make an EV road trip, than in a typical gas car. This video highlights that.

A friend has an EV6 GT. He pays FPL (Florida Power + Light) a flat $31 per month for unlimited home level 2 charging. He commutes a fair distance and is spending $500 less per month on "fuel" vs. his F150. Hard to beat that performance to price ratio. Awesome car, awesome fuel costs.

https://www.fpl.com/electric-vehicl...mxZ4Z2QvIhqEam4QpihoCbZQQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Is the rate for the charging taxpayer subsidized?

 

[demarpaint]

.....you both "forgot" about the most convenient fuel station of all - a home. There's millions upon million of these.

All this focus on road trips ignores the fact that as long as you can charge at home, the convenience factor flips to the EV in spades.

No at home fuel stations on a Christmas road trip, which is what this thread is about. I can drive less than a 1/4 mile to Franklin Ave fill up and drive home in a little less than 10 minutes, 24/7. Or better yet, drive less than 1/4 mile and gas up on the way to the parkway, get on my way and fill up pretty much whenever I want in under 5 minutes.

 

[UncleDave]

No at home fuel stations on a Christmas road trip, which is what this thread is about. I can drive less than a 1/4 mile to Franklin Ave fill up and drive home in a little less than 10 minutes, 24/7. Or better yet, drive less than 1/4 mile and gas up on the way to the parkway, get on my way and fill up pretty much whenever I want in under 5 minutes.

This discussion morphed into much more than one trip into one of living with the vehicle.

Even if your weekly fill up is 10 minutes (almost no ones is) thats 520 minutes a year just to commute.

 

[demarpaint]

Even if your weekly fill up is 10 minutes (almost no ones is) thats 520 minutes a year just to commute.

Well worth it for the convince to gas up and go where ever I want when ever I want in less than 10 minutes. Oh and gassing up on the way somewhere cuts that time down to under 5 minutes. Then I have no additional trip planning, extended waits to recharge, and lower auto insurance, 24/7. Win win for me. But hey enjoy your EV, you pay a lot more for gas in CA than I do in NY.

 

[dumkid]

I agree. Maybe if I end up in a retirement community I'll get a golf cart and I'll go electric for that, that's the only chance though. My wife wants no part of an electric car, there's something else we agree on!!

The gas carts are faster. Less torque though.

You can also put a predator V twin in a golf cart

 

[UncleDave]

Well worth it for the convince to gas up and go where ever I want when ever I want in less than 10 minutes. No additional trip planning, extended waits to recharge, and lower auto insurance, 24/7. Win win for me. But hey enjoy your EV, you pay a lot more for gas in CA than I do in NY.

You do have to plan, and you are forced to drive or stop at a remote destinations- 52 times year or more. 110 for me as I have two vehicles.

Both forms have upside and downsides.

Pretending ICE are all upside, and EV's are all downside isnt a defensible position any more.

 

[demarpaint]

You do have to plan and you are forced to drive or stop at a remote destinations- 52 times year or more. 110 for me as I have two vehicles.

Both forms have upside and downsides.

Pretending ICE are all upside, and EV's are all downside isnt a defensible position any more.

A remote destination about 1/4 mile from the house? Hardly remote. For me the ICE works for the reasons I stated. As I said, enjoy your EV, CA bangs you guys hard for gas.

 

[alarmguy]

A remote destination about 1/4 mile from the house? Hardly remote. For me the ICE works for the reasons I stated. As I said, enjoy your EV, CA bangs you guys hard for gas.

Want to see something stupid? It still amazes me to this day in the land of the free>
Im not kidding, ALL the time, though I do think the Shell price went down to $2.67 I could be wrong or that was the last time I got gas.
These prices are cheaper than the 1970s taking into account inflation AND the increase in gas taxes.
Then again, here in land of the free electricity is only 10 cents a kWh too.

Edit- better gas chart, not worth the drive to Sam's Club where it is $2.53

 

[UncleDave]

A remote destination about 1/4 mile from the house? Hardly remote. For me the ICE works for the reasons I stated. As I said, enjoy your EV, CA bangs you guys hard for gas.

I dont have an EV I have two ice vehicles.

No one liking or disliking EV's makes owning an ICE any more or less convenient that it actually is.

There's plenty of inconvenience to them. Long distance "fueling" just isnt one of them.

 

[demarpaint]

I dont have an EV I have two ice vehicles.

No one liking or disliking EV's makes owning an ICE any more or less convenient that it actually is.

There's plenty of inconvenience to them. Long distance "fueling" just isnt one of them.

You're entitled to your opinion, when you do buy an EV let us know how you like it. I'll be sticking to ICE for as long as humanly possible.

 

[UncleDave]

You're entitled to your opinion, when you do buy an EV let us know how you like it. I'll be sticking to ICE for as long as humanly possible.

As are you, If and when I do I will.

It's not my opinion that ICE cars typically need to be filled once a week and you have to go somewhere to do it.

We can debate the time, cost, and frequency of doing this, but not that the chore isnt part of ICE ownership. (Pretty sure I have more here than anyone)

 

[demarpaint]

As are you, If and when I do I will.

It's not my opinion that ICE cars typically need to be filled once a week and you have to go somewhere to do it.

We can debate the time, cost, and frequency of doing this, but not that the chore isnt part of ICE ownership. (Pretty sure I have more here than anyone)

You call it a chore, to me the real chore is in the EV ownership. The charging, needing an app to show me where to charge it while traveling, the 80-20% nonsense or whatever the numbers are to maximize battery life/health, rapid charge vs. slow charge, then the inconvenient of charging while traveling. Oh and paying more for insurance, I could go on.................

Once again we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I'm not going change how you feel about them, and there isn't anyone on this board who can change how I feel about them.

 

[UncleDave]

You call it a chore, to me the real chore is in the EV ownership. The charging, needing an app to show me where to charge it while traveling, the 80-20% nonsense or whatever the numbers are to maximize battery life/health, rapid charge vs. slow charge, then the inconvenient of charging while traveling. Oh and paying more for insurance, I could go on.................

Once again we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I'm not going change how you feel about them, and there isn't anyone on this board who can change how I feel about them.

You/I have to go to a gas station - period. Weekly and on trips.

How you/ or I feel about EV's doesn't change that.

 

[JeffKeryk]

EVs are not for everyone or every use case. No vehicle is.
If I were driving a car 250 miles per day I would not be driving an EV. But for my use case, an EV is a great choice.
I can say many of the comments I see do not reflect real world EV ownership. The video posted is a prime example. If you use a tool incorrectly, you will not get the best results.

 

[andrew_j]

It’s disingenuous to create a piece on all the downsides of EV without clearing saying at the end and beginning I did not plan the trip so it did not work as well. instead of hyper focusing on negatives. You can twist, slant , present facts to support any story, graph or headline.

The short is you have to plan for EV trip past range.

Ice you don’t. The main difference with ICE is they tell you no fuel for xxx miles via road sign and you react appropriately. On EV that information unfortunately is only available via phone app or mostly mediocre programmed built in car maker software including Tesla. (Improving)

 

[alarmguy]

Well, at least we all agree on one thing which is really amazing in BITOG.
We all agree that the OP Fox News video is 100% correct.

As far as excuses, there’s always an excuse when something fails against the competition.
In this case, EV versus ICE vehicle.
One thing I love about facts is you look silly, denying them.

Electric vehicles are specialized vehicles, and not for everybody and all situations.
This video actually serves a purpose for people to properly evaluate what they need in a vehicle should they be considering an electric one.

 

[y_p_w]

I swear some here will do anything just to piss and moan about EVs. We get it, you don’t like them. How about you go find something else to occupy your time instead of mucking up actual enthusiasts talking about EVs in the EV section of the site? Seriously it’s an obsession for some of you.

I just can’t with this absolute stupidity. Have fun, I need a break from this crap.

This "discussion" reminds me a lot of the old Usenet discussions I remember from the late 90s. There were some fervent VW enthusiasts who would go on Honda discussion groups and tell them why they made a bad decision. It got really tiresome since a lot of it was dominated by the haters and that really created a lot of noise where it was harder to discuss real issues.

I even remember one guy who used his real name, and I somehow came across him once in person in a business situation. And even in this situation while we were waiting for the meeting to start, he was talking about how great VW was and how bad Honda was. It seemed to consume his life.