Supertech Synthetic vs QSUD

[kschachn]

Originally Posted by D1dad
Walmart's cheapest supplier policy is enough to buy QS. I'm sure ST is a fine oil, but after having to almost push my power stroke home after filling up at Walmart, none of their products are in my cars or cupboards.

That would be a sound technical reason to avoid their motor oils?

 

[D1dad]

Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by D1dad
Walmart's cheapest supplier policy is enough to buy QS. I'm sure ST is a fine oil, but after having to almost push my power stroke home after filling up at Walmart, none of their products are in my cars or cupboards.

That would be a sound technical reason to avoid their motor oils?

Its personal preference. I get it super tech is the holy grail of motor oils around here. I just choose to buy a product from a trusted supplier who didn't put a product in a bottle based off of cutting corners for the purpose of profit.

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted by D1dad
Its personal preference. I get it super tech is the holy grail of motor oils around here. I just choose to buy a product from a trusted supplier who didn't put a product in a bottle based off of cutting corners for the purpose of profit.

Not the holy grail at all, it is what it is based on the licenses and specifications it carries. But your last sentence shows your real reason which has nothing to do with technical competence. I just wish people made arguments based on data rather than personal feelings.

 

[PimTac]

Most here would consider Warren Distribution a trusted supplier.

 

[blupupher]

For 95% of vehicles and users, there is no difference in performance and engine longevity between Supertech and Quaker State (or any other SN/SN+ oil).
Change your oil on a regular basis based on your driving conditions using whatever oil meets your engine specs and you will be fine. If you want to spend more, go right ahead.

Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by D1dad
Its personal preference. I get it super tech is the holy grail of motor oils around here. I just choose to buy a product from a trusted supplier who didn't put a product in a bottle based off of cutting corners for the purpose of profit.

Not the holy grail at all, it is what it is based on the licenses and specifications it carries. But your last sentence shows your real reason which has nothing to do with technical competence. I just wish people made arguments based on data rather than personal feelings.

Don't try using facts to prove points. It is all about how you feel.

 

[4WD]

Could be who you prefer doing business with. I prefer vertically integrated companies.

 

[D1dad]

As I said, I'm sure supertech is good oil but I choose to spend the extra few bucks to know that I'm getting something from a supplier who prices their product based off of how it was manufactured, not manufacture a product for price. I love warren products and just bought a case of mag 1 blend for $1.89 a quart and will use it in just about everything I own. They say mag 1 is warrens flagship product so why would I go to Walmart to pay the same price for something that isn't?

 

[kschachn]

Stepping back from emotion again and trying to focus on facts, both products are SN Plus and are GM dexos licensed, correct? What technical evidence is there that either one performs better than the other?

Oh and by the way, every product is manufactured for price and performance. All products.

 

[Jimmy_Russells]

Originally Posted by blupupher


Don't try using facts to prove points. It is all about how you feel.



Pretty much sums up this entire website

 

[4WD]

No doubt people come here for reassurance … technology to me is applied science

 

[ka9mnx]

Originally Posted by kschachn
Oh and by the way, every product is manufactured for priceand performance. All products.

Do you have facts to prove this?

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted by ka9mnx
Originally Posted by kschachn
Oh and by the way, every product is manufactured for price and performance. All products.
Do you have facts to prove this?

Of course, don't you?

Or is this about Fram filters again?

 

[DGXR]

Assuming you are changing the oil/filter at regular intervals, you will never see any real difference between the two oils you're asking about. I would choose QSUD because it's a major brand name and it's only three dollars more than the Supertech. That is three dollars ($3) difference.
Your sig says you are running 10w30 in all vehicles. FYI the Supertech synthetic 10w30 is not Dexos approved, but the 5w30 and 0w20 are.

I don't make any decisions based on Project Farm videos. His methodology is usually sound but they are just one-off experiments, not producing any conclusive evidence. If he repeated the exact same experiment hundreds of times, then we would have something useful. They are entertaining and interesting, and they help my understanding of OPE (outdoor power equipment).

 

[Bettez88]

Originally Posted by DGXR
Assuming you are changing the oil/filter at regular intervals, you will never see any real difference between the two oils you're asking about. I would choose QSUD because it's a major brand name and it's only three dollars more than the Supertech. That is three dollars ($3) difference.
Your sig says you are running 10w30 in all vehicles. FYI the Supertech synthetic 10w30 is not Dexos approved, but the 5w30 and 0w20 are.

I don't make any decisions based on Project Farm videos. His methodology is usually sound but they are just one-off experiments, not producing any conclusive evidence. If he repeated the exact same experiment hundreds of times, then we would have something useful. They are entertaining and interesting, and they help my understanding of OPE (outdoor power equipment).


You summed up my methodology for picking qsud over st. For $3 more you get a name brand product that you know is good. I'll pay more just for that assurance

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted by Bettez88
You summed up my methodology for picking qsud over st. For $3 more you get a name brand product that you know is good. I'll pay more just for that assurance

The reality is that there's no technical evidence that either one of those oils is somehow better or worse than the other.

 

[aquariuscsm]

I like QSUD for the moly

 

[D1dad]

Well I won't feed my family a great value turkey and I'm not feeding my cars super tech oil. Don't care how good people say it is. I've ever seen so many rush to defend a brand that isn't even a brand...it's a bottle that may or may not be made by the same supplier next time you buy it.

 

[blupupher]

Originally Posted by DGXR
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Your sig says you are running 10w30 in all vehicles. FYI the Supertech synthetic 10w30 is not Dexos approved, but the 5w30 and 0w20 are.

There are zero 10w-30 oils that meet Dexos, it is not part of the spec.
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I don't make any decisions based on Project Farm videos. His methodology is usually sound but they are just one-off experiments, not producing any conclusive evidence. If he repeated the exact same experiment hundreds of times, then we would have something useful. They are entertaining and interesting, and they help my understanding of OPE (outdoor power equipment).

I agree, his videos are entertaining and have some usefulness, but is not an end all proof of how good an oil is in an engine.
Originally Posted by D1dad
As I said, I'm sure supertech is good oil but I choose to spend the extra few bucks to know that I'm getting something from a supplier who prices their product based off of how it was manufactured, not manufacture a product for price. I love warren products and just bought a case of mag 1 blend for $1.89 a quart and will use it in just about everything I own. They say mag 1 is warrens flagship product so why would I go to Walmart to pay the same price for something that isn't?
Originally Posted by kschachn
Stepping back from emotion again and trying to focus on facts, both products are SN Plus and are GM dexos licensed, correct? What technical evidence is there that either one performs better than the other?...


An interesting note, Mag1 5w-30 and Supertech 5w-30 share the exact same Dexos license number (D10386HG025), as well as 21 other oils.
Same for Mag1 and Supertech 0w-20, they share the same Dexos license as 16 other oils (D10394HG025).
Interestingly, Supertech 5w-20 has a unique Dexos license (D13002IL025).

Now does having the same Dexos license mean it is the exact same product, no idea, but does give one a way to help make a decision.

But again, as I said before, if it makes you feel better to use a more expensive oil, that is fine, it does not make a difference to me, but saying one product is "inferior" because of personal beliefs does not help others.

 

[Coastie05]

Literally just faced this dilemma today. I chose ST simply because it was cheaper and I could get it in 0W20 vs 5W20 from QS. ST has the same certifications as the other oils, so I couldn't beat that price.

 

[Railrust]

Is Project Farm that guy that sounds like Kermit the Frog?