Supertech ATF

[firecadet613]

How good is this ATF? It would be for a 95 Chevy Blazer with the 4L60E. Just filled it with 5 quarts of Mobil 1 ATF after I dropped the pan but hear that synthetic in this tranny causes excessive slip.

Any reason not to keep draining and filling with the cheap Supertech ATF?

 

[MolaKule]

I never heard of synthetic ATF "causing" slip in a mechanically sound AT that required Dexron III fluids.

Same additive package as Supertech, just a more thermally stable base fluid.

 

[Mike_dup1]

According to info from Walmart MSDS it is made by Specialty Oil Company, a division of Quaker State/Pennzoil

 

[firecadet613]

so it's ok to use?

 

[Ken2]

The Wallymart stuff is certainly OK to use.

The Mobil 1 ATF is far superior, and won't be a cause of slippage.

If you changed 5 quarts, you only changed about a third of the ATF. In any case, I'd stick with the Mobil 1, at your second oil change do another 5 quarts, ditto for every other oil change until you've replaced 20 qts. ATF.


Ken

 

[Alan]

I put in Supertech ATF in my Corolla(automatic)and I got no complaints.Seems as good as any other ATF.

 

[Ray H]

Curious position, indeed. SuperTech oil filters are made by Champion Labs and have received generally favorable reviews on this board. SuperTech lubes are made by Quaker State. In ATFs, there are now licensed DaimlerChrysler ATF+3, Mercon V, as well as conventional Dexron III/Mercon fluids in the SuperTech lineup. Since you opted to express an entirely negative opinion (to which you're entitled of course) with no explanation for your position, perhaps you'd care to take this opportunity to ellucidate why you feel as you do about the brand? The rest of us enjoy reading the "why" - to which we're equally entitled in gauging an opinion.

[ September 29, 2003, 11:33 PM: Message edited by: Ray H ]

 

[car_junkie_moron]

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Originally posted by Alan:
I put in Supertech ATF in my Corolla(automatic)and I got no complaints.Seems as good as any other ATF.

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There is no way. I would use any of the Supertech products. but thats just me.

I would say if you are useing products like, Mobile 1, volvoline, Castrol, Amsoil etc. don't go for any of these cheappo stuff. Specially supertech, May be i am being way too judgemental here but I have used supertech oil filter and wouldn't use any of its product in my car.

 

[csandste]

SuperTech oils are no longer Specialty Petroleum (the QS subsidiary) as of the release of SL oils. They are now Warren Distribution (Warren Peformance Packaging) out of Omaha/Council Bluffs and are identical to Mag 1 (or Sears Spectrum for that matter). The 15w40 is still Specialty Petroleum and is listed as SJ. I assume they're working through old stock and the blending plant in Shreveport has been closed. If the posted safety sheets indicate, my guess would be that the ST ATF is at least a year old, as most of the other contracts appear to have shifted to Warren in summer 2002.

SuperTech is a Wal-Mart brand, not a manufacturer so a broad condemnation of ST is simply a broad condemnation of all things Wal-Mart. IMHO the Warren performance sheets look pretty good. Also, I've always had good luck with Champion Filters whether ST, STP or Lee.

[ September 30, 2003, 12:24 AM: Message edited by: csandste ]

 

[car_junkie_moron]

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Originally posted by Ray H:
Curious position, indeed. SuperTech oil filters are made by Champion Labs and have received generally favorable reviews on this board. SuperTech lubes are made by Quaker State. In ATFs, there are now licensed DaimlerChrysler ATF+3, Mercon V, as well as conventional Dexron III/Mercon fluids in the SuperTech lineup. Since you opted to express an entirely negative opinion (to which you're entitled of course) with no explanation for your position, perhaps you'd care to take this opportunity to ellucidate why you feel as you do about the brand? The rest of us enjoy reading the "why" - to which we're equally entitled in gauging an opinion.

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Finally, I got someone confronting me hard, Anyways, not much experience with Supertech as i said in my post, But if a filter turns my mobile 1 10W30 synthetic all the way black in just 1800 miles, I would defenately suspect that products. As I have been using mobile 1 sythetic in my car with fram X2 series and changing oil after every 3000 to 3200 miles i have never experienced black oil coming out of my engine. and this is freaking 1800 miles!!!!!! all black?? black that i can see on my deep stick????? the only thing diff. was filter. so it was natural for me to suspect filter and there was no way for me to suspect mobil 1 as i have been using it for a long time now with out any problem......

 

[HOndaGuy]

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Originally posted by car_junkie_moron:

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Originally posted by Ray H:
Curious position, indeed. SuperTech oil filters are made by Champion Labs and have received generally favorable reviews on this board. SuperTech lubes are made by Quaker State. In ATFs, there are now licensed DaimlerChrysler ATF+3, Mercon V, as well as conventional Dexron III/Mercon fluids in the SuperTech lineup. Since you opted to express an entirely negative opinion (to which you're entitled of course) with no explanation for your position, perhaps you'd care to take this opportunity to ellucidate why you feel as you do about the brand? The rest of us enjoy reading the "why" - to which we're equally entitled in gauging an opinion.

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Finally, I got someone confronting me hard, Anyways, not much experience with Supertech as i said in my post, But if a filter turns my mobile 1 10W30 synthetic all the way black in just 1800 miles, I would defenately suspect that products. As I have been using mobile 1 sythetic in my car with fram X2 series and changing oil after every 3000 to 3200 miles i have never experienced black oil coming out of my engine. and this is freaking 1800 miles!!!!!! all black?? black that i can see on my deep stick????? the only thing diff. was filter. so it was natural for me to suspect filter and there was no way for me to suspect mobil 1 as i have been using it for a long time now with out any problem......

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Probably because the st filters out more than the fram x2 does and that is why the oil turned black so soon.

 

[DJStillman]

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Originally posted by HOndaGuy:

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Originally posted by car_junkie_moron:

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Originally posted by Ray H:
Curious position, indeed. SuperTech oil filters are made by Champion Labs and have received generally favorable reviews on this board. SuperTech lubes are made by Quaker State. In ATFs, there are now licensed DaimlerChrysler ATF+3, Mercon V, as well as conventional Dexron III/Mercon fluids in the SuperTech lineup. Since you opted to express an entirely negative opinion (to which you're entitled of course) with no explanation for your position, perhaps you'd care to take this opportunity to ellucidate why you feel as you do about the brand? The rest of us enjoy reading the "why" - to which we're equally entitled in gauging an opinion.

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Finally, I got someone confronting me hard, Anyways, not much experience with Supertech as i said in my post, But if a filter turns my mobile 1 10W30 synthetic all the way black in just 1800 miles, I would defenately suspect that products. As I have been using mobile 1 sythetic in my car with fram X2 series and changing oil after every 3000 to 3200 miles i have never experienced black oil coming out of my engine. and this is freaking 1800 miles!!!!!! all black?? black that i can see on my deep stick????? the only thing diff. was filter. so it was natural for me to suspect filter and there was no way for me to suspect mobil 1 as i have been using it for a long time now with out any problem......

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Probably because the st filters out more than the fram x2 does and that is why the oil turned black so soon.

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Or, it could be that Mobil has changed their formula again, as they have done several times recently...

Besides, it has been said here many times that color is not a true indicator of oil condition...

 

[car_junkie_moron]

Alright guys, Thanks for your reviews but I am not changing my opinion as I have tried this filter again. Its been 1300 miles since last oil change. My car sounds weird right now, Like running low on oil.......

[ October 03, 2003, 09:48 AM: Message edited by: car_junkie_moron ]

 

[Ray H]

Probably because the st filters out more than the fram x2 does and that is why the oil turned black so soon. [/QUOTE]

Or maybe going into bypass mode and not filtering at all? I get the feeling CJM is accurately telling us his results, but that they don't square with the rest of our results with ST filters. I wonder if the ST filter bypass pressure relief valve is marginal for his car's working pressure - or if his car's oil pressure regulator, if it has one, is faulty.

 

[MolaKule]

I have a technical aper on ATF's which seez that when the ZDDP add decomposes, it causes the fluid to attack the dye and turn it from red to brown.

 

[Pablo]

perda 'Kule:

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I have a technical aper on ATF's which seez that when the ZDDP add decomposes, it causes the fluid to attack the dye and turn it from red to brown

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That IS interesting. I was wondering if it was pure oxidation or what...

 

[sbc350gearhead]

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Originally posted by MolaKule:
I have a technical aper on ATF's which seez that when the ZDDP add decomposes, it causes the fluid to attack the dye and turn it from red to brown.

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Wow!!! I learn something new everyday.

 

[car_junkie_moron]

Ok, here is a little change in my earlier statement about Supertech products. I have used only filter from their range of products. And i didn't like 'em at all. What i want to change in my statement is, This filters works fine upto 1200 to 1500 miles and then after #@#@#$$@#$@$......

 

[metroplex]

I use the Supertech ATF in my jack

I also use it for power steering systems.

It's $1.22/qt - far cheaper than PS fluid, jack oil, etc...

 

[47HO]

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I have a technical aper on ATF's which seez that when the ZDDP add decomposes, it causes the fluid to attack the dye and turn it from red to brown.

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Not disagreeing with 'kule, but I found this quote from my '02 Jeep GC Service Manual interesting: "Mopart ATF +4, type 9602, Automatic Transmission Fluid when new is red in color. The ATF is dyed red so it can be identified from other fluids used in the vehicle such as engine oil or antifreeze. The red color is not permanent and is not an indicator of fluid condition. As the vehicle is driven, the ATF will begin to look darker in color and may eventually become brown. This is normal . ATF+4 also has a unique odor that may change with age. Consequently, odor and color cannot be used to indicate the fluid condition or the need for a fluid change."

Of course, this is DC's ATF+4 magical elixer .