Stunning blow to electric car industry

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I covered that in number 3 of my tirade.

Its a good point and lends directly into the whole point of this thread. For the most part An EV is a luxury item currently. It might work as a normal car for some people but for the most part its not the most ideal or the most affordable. Hence the market for it is flattening. There are only so many people that can both afford and want one, so were likely getting closer to that point unless there is some big change - ie a tech break through, $200 a barrel oil, free electricity from somewhere, etc.
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I have said EVs, especially expensive ones, are not for everyone. Ditto lotsa cars.

But I will say this:
When I first bought the Model 3 in Dec 2018, I considered the car basically a toy. Over the years I found I was wrong. That's my experience.
 
I think you can probably only make that statement for residential charging, when people have returned home. Because plenty of charging happens during daylight when people are traveling, or work where there are free chargers, or stop at the mall which happens to have chargers, etc.

But what happens when you flood the system with additional load at night? Magically, demand is no longer lower at any time. And then that complicates things even further for power companies & their PM schedules, which forces additional capacity to be added/maintained…

Agree that nuclear, and lots of it, is the only way to efficiently manage both the massive need and massive variability in demand timing. Solar and wind are a false economy and not only overcomplicate the implementation, they are consistently proven to deliver mere fractions of their nameplate capacities due to the intermittent nature of their energy sources. OTOH, I think @OVERKILL posted that Bruce was at like 93% availability…

Case closed. 😎

While I agree the Nuclear is the answer, lots of it maybe not be the greatest idea in the age of terrorism. But as long as they are well planned, it can happen.

But, I think wind and solar should be additions , not the answer. First off, they can be made portable. Plus, you can’t exactly put nuclear on your house.

We need one solid choice, with a balance of other options…..
 
Politics seems to be the only direction these topics go. I can’t even have an in person conversation about cars with my coworkers without it going political if I mention the Tesla. I tend to avoid the conversation with new people.

It’s a weird situation. It doesn’t make me mad, it just gets annoying and old. I don’t know why so many seem to want to take the conversation there. You’re right, there’s no reason for it be political.
Yeah. It is a bit depressing the last 10 to 15 years that one can barley discuss anything with anyone and not have the subject turn into a political rock throwing contest. Lots of times if one sticks with it and does not have to give up, if folks can keep their cool (good luck) I find that we end up not really that far apart on our opinions. But its just to the point I try to avoid anything about religion or politics as much as possible. I will NOT Let myself get caught up like some watching all that biased cable Tv news insanity any more like I once did when I first retired.
 
Might it be because the whole EV things is the result of a huge government agenda push.
With good reason. EVs allow you to carry on with your first-world lifestyle with less guilt of contributing to the irreversible degradation of the human habitat. It may take 20 more years but eventually you'll realise that. It doesn't hurt the cause that they're crazy fast and can be cheap to operate.
 
While I agree the Nuclear is the answer, lots of it maybe not be the greatest idea in the age of terrorism. But as long as they are well planned, it can happen.

But, I think wind and solar should be additions , not the answer. First off, they can be made portable. Plus, you can’t exactly put nuclear on your house.

We need one solid choice, with a balance of other options…..
“Lots” of nuclear is obviously not the same as when talking solar or wind installs. Figure maybe 10 sites like Canada’s Bruce? Then keep the NG plants as well… like the shark and remora… symbiotic. Not just parasitic like their current “green” lie.
 
Politics seems to be the only direction these topics go. I can’t even have an in person conversation about cars with my coworkers without it going political if I mention the Tesla. I tend to avoid the conversation with new people.

It’s a weird situation. It doesn’t make me mad, it just gets annoying and old. I don’t know why so many seem to want to take the conversation there. You’re right, there’s no reason for it be political.
Unfortunately when we hear the words mandates and tax incentives it circles back to politics. When we hear the elimination of mandates and tax incentives it goes back to politics again. Like it or not topics like this are politically driven, and we're impacted by it. Some of are are going to do the happy dance, and others will hate it.
 
Unfortunately when we hear the words mandates and tax incentives it circles back to politics. When we hear the elimination of mandates and tax incentives it goes back to politics again. Like it or not topics like this are politically driven, and we're impacted by it. Some of are are going to do the happy dance, and others will hate it.
It’s not political to say “don’t steal from my wallet” while being held at gunpoint
 
Not sure I understand your question, but here's my experience with the 2 Teslas I have purchased:
2018 Model 3 Mid Range - It would need to get incredible gas mileage because I charge the car basically free with my solar panel project. And that would be next to impossible if you compare driving capabilities.

2024 Model 3 Performance - 1st tell me another 10 second car and we can talk gas mileage.
Right, you have solar the masses dont and it is not basically free.....but anyway....

I am trying to figure out where you come up with cost savings vs gas pump ICE car

That is why I asked to give me a comparable car, so we could go apples to apples as far as the car. Get it? 30 mpg? $35K?
 
Unfortunately when we hear the words mandates and tax incentives it circles back to politics. When we hear the elimination of mandates and tax incentives it goes back to politics again. Like it or not topics like this are politically driven, and we're impacted by it. Some of are are going to do the happy dance, and others will hate it.
I’d rather see the “help” go directly to the power grid - far more people benefit from that …
 
There is plenty of electricity to go around just in the atmosphere. The future of electricity is individually generated or small local grids. The OG Tesla knew.
 
I’d rather see the “help” go directly to the power grid - far more people benefit from that …
Me too, but that also circles back to politics and how they, the politicians see fit to spend our money.
 
Might it be because the whole EV things is the result of a huge government agenda push. Maybe if you don’t talk about EV?
It’s car guys talking about cars. Some don’t take it there but most do. I shouldn’t have to pad the conversation for someone’s political anger.
 
Did anybody really think EV's were gunna go mainstream when you can't be dependable with electric grid dependability? 20'ish years ago rolling brown / black outs weren't thought of. Now it's "almost" normal. United States Energy should not be political. One side does this, then the other side does that. Stupid. Get one train of thought on how to keep the AMERICAN people supplied with dependable electricity and be done with it.
The only thing keeping them from going mainstream is cost. Power companies will keep up and fix their grids (ergo Texas and California).
 
Wall Street Journal, BBC, Barrens good, as far as New York Times, Washington Post, well known “agenda” based and biased that we can’t discuss in here.

I actually enjoy some of our discussions and I’m shocked that you included those two. 🙃 Those two newspapers are editorial commentaries masquerading as news.
Don't confuse editorials with actual news reporting. The WSJ editorial board is just as bad as the others.
 
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