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Stunning blow to electric car industry
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With the cost of components at the present time I don't think its possible unless they really strip the cars down and if they did get on par with gasoline everyone would choose the gasoline models with more options. I think anyway.
Plus with the taxpayers giving up to $7,500 it's not the buyer who gets that money, indirectly it's the manufacturer who gets the money. That also kills trying to get the price down when the taxpayer already is paying $7,500 for each one sold.
I know for fact how it works in the solar industry too. The so called "rebates"
Let's put it this way, instead of a discounted price, a customer pays an arbitrary full list price for the system. Then the sales technique kicks in. The solar sales person then shows how the government is going to pick up such and such a cost of that arbitrary full retail price. YET if there was no rebate that price would be much lower to start. (think it as like a Macy's sale) They show full retail price that no one pays, then a sale price.
Tons of money made in these solar contracting/sales businesses. I know the paychecks the sales people were getting selling solar as well as the companies popping up all around doing it and it's only because they can inflate the price so high because they know the homeowner will think they are getting a deal once shown the government rebates. Lots of free cash they were raking in.
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Don’t you think that will make the power situation worse …
How about EV and home solar bundles that won’t ?
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If you are talking battery storage - that just eats heavy into precious minerals that EV’s must have … Stationary power can be made many different ways - EV’s have to have batteries …Home solar only makes sense in certain regions.
Grid storage is the real need here. Run the equipment we have at peak efficiency all the time - store the fuel for when you need it later. Like, oh say the oil industry does
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CCS should allow turbines to run clean - never understood why we started to export LNG - too many things we can do with NG …
They stopped teaching critical thinking in schools in the 80's. This is the result.
Caterpillar had a big push on local site gyros generators back in the 90's. Local generation of electricity is against the industry narrative for obvious reasons. Could get a mule and a water wheel..
Why would they do something that makes sense?
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They were testing a modular GTL plant nearby - it’s gone and never heard the conclusion …
The MSRP of our new M3P was $55K. The only options are different color and FSD.
I don't know of any comparable sedan.
I've seen flywheel storage at a company called Daystar in texas, it was all housed in a box that hummed menacingly, apparently it was in a vacuum on a magnetic bearing.
Its main bennie was that it could handle almost any transient load, trading RMP for current.
It couldn't run the whole place for very long, but let you do a controlled shutdown.
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sycons (synchronous condensers) are used to provide frequency control and inertia. They are often placed at the ends of HVDC lines, since HVDC rectified to AC provides no inertia to the grid. Muskrat Falls has two large sycons for this reason, to absorb transients and buffer sudden losses.
Think of them as generators that don't generate, so basically just massive electric motors/flywheels being spun by whatever they are connected to.
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So true…. I have a leftover bag labeled play sand in my tool shed. I used it and others to fill up the kids play sand box when they were little and in to digger trucks. That is what it is labeled as - play sand!
On the bag is this:
California required warning: The contents of this bag is known to cause cancer. Use at you own risk.
You can’t make stuff like this up.
I am surprised that anyone is allowed on the sand beaches in California if they know that they are a cancer risk. If I were a lawyer in California, instead of going after J&J for baby powder I’d base my practice on recruiting cancer patients and suing the state in a class action case for the state allowing a known cancer hazard, sand filled beaches, to continue to operate.
I think, that is the reason why there is the CA label. In CA, you cant sue for that, as I understand it. Just another way to get over on the little guy.
Comparable in what way? It seems the only thing you can ever tout about is my 10 sec car after saying here you will probably not do over 100 mph or jackrabbit starts. The 10 sec deal is useless bragging and boasting along with your free electricity.
These cars and many more are less expensive and a much nicer car in every way. Unlike Tesla you can usually them for less than MSRP, the $2500 off BMW has now brings a 5 series less than 55K before making a deal.
https://www.audiusa.com/us/web/en/models/a4/s4-sedan/2024/overview.html
https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/3-series/3-series-sedan/bmw-3-series-sedan.html#technical-data
Ford wasn't always a truck company. They were the second largest auto company in the USA for a long time. I grew up riding around in a Ford Sedan of one type or another. The Escort was the number 1 car in America. Then the Taurus. The Explorer was the most popular SUV. The Panther chasis provided taxi's and Law enforcement vehicles of choice for a decade and were the darling here for longer.
No Ford really has lost its way. It really got ramped up under Mullaly. Another Steller Boeing exec. / sarc.
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