Sodium add packs

[Pepsibottle1]

I'm sure there are threads out there but the search yielded fruitless. Can someone school me on sodium add packs? I seem to see them in cheaper oils in contrast to better moly + zinc blends. I noticed that Ashland likes to use it in their syn products as well

 

[CarbonSteel]

In what way is moly + zinc better (i.e. what are you looking for)? Mobil 5000 uses sodium and titanium and it produces results as good as PYB and other conventionals that use moly/zinc. IMHO, sodium is just another means to the same end--albeit is slightly less expensive.

 

[5170]

Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
In what way is moly + zinc better (i.e. what are you looking for)? Mobil 5000 uses sodium and titanium and it produces results as good as PYB and other conventionals that use moly/zinc. IMHO, sodium is just another means to the same end--albeit is slightly less expensive.


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[Skid]

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[Gene K]

If the Sodium Pack is cheaper why does Mobil's Premium Conventional - Mobil Super 5000 use it while their Budget Conventional - Mobil Special doesn't?

 

[69GTX]

Valvoline synpower uses sodium as does Royal Purple.

 

[Nitronoise]

As does ProLine conventional by Warren Oil for Pep Boys

I have been trialing it in a couple of my rides so far so good and labs look ok for the first go around in my Tarsus

 

[Garak]

Sodium additive packages aren't competing with moly and zinc packages. Moly and zinc are for friction modification and anti-wear. Sodium is a detergent, and alternative packages have calcium and/or magnesium bases.

 

[BigD1]

Originally Posted By: Skid
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I did not know that Valvoline engine oils was using it. Apparently, it's a top notch add pack.

 

[andrewp1998]

A tech support guy at Royal Purple informed me that they don't use Moly in any of their oils cause it stays in suspension? How true is that?

 

[Tony10s]

Originally Posted By: BigD1
Originally Posted By: Skid
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I did not know that Valvoline engine oils was using it. Apparently, it's a top notch add pack.


Yeah, Valvoline and Royal Purple are excellent motor oils ... They would not use sodium as an additive if it was detrimental in any way whatsoever.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: andrewp1998
A tech support guy at Royal Purple informed me that they don't use Moly in any of their oils cause it stays in suspension? How true is that?

Some forms of moly stay in suspension. Some do not. Personally, I want my moly staying in suspension, not laying on the bottom of the oil jug or the bottom of the oil pan. In any case, RP obviously uses some sort of friction modification. There is just more than one way to do it.

 

[weasley]

Originally Posted By: andrewp1998
A tech support guy at Royal Purple informed me that they don't use Moly in any of their oils cause it stays in suspension? How true is that?


This statement supports something I wrote recently about additives and misunderstandings. When you say "moly", what do you mean? The element molybdenum? Or is it shorthand for "molybdenum disulfide (MOS2)"? This is important because if you mean MOS2 then yes, it is a finely-divided solid that is added as a suspension. However, if you mean molybdenum in it widest sense, then it could be present as molybdenum dialkyldithiocarbamate (MoDTC), which is an oil-soluble anti-wear additive.

 

[BigD1]

Little bit more information on the Lubrizol HyperZDP.

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[andrewp1998]

I dont know which one?