Smoking banned INSIDE pubs and clubs.

[javacontour]

Ironically, this is an automotive site. I suspect our cars do more to harm our and our neighbors lungs, even with modern emissions controls that do cigarettes.

I don't smoke, I think it's distasteful and harmful to those who do.

However, I have no illusions that I would be doing the world a favor by banning smoking while I continue to drive 30K+ miles/year.

 

[Gary Allan]

Yes ...people tend to forget their total harmful footprint

The only reason you even get a hint of defensive posture to issues revolving around smoking from me is that so many people use it as their whipping boy. There's multiple generations that have evolved into whiners that capitalize on these accumulators of "sin". That is, you've had eons of people who went to places where smoking was allowed and never gave it a second thought. They even went there when any of the alleged hazards were known ...yet if they have the opportunity to object ...they do it ..whether it really bothers them at all. That is, they use it as a "anxiety sink" for all of their displaced anxiety ..and the smoker is, somewhat, just the most convenient target of opportunity. He/she is in a totally indefensible position and is always fair game.

Basically it allows those who would otherwise be decompansating ..to get state sanction for their defective status in their ability to cope. Too many defective personalities? Just give them more "allowed" vents/rant/punching bags.

 

[Tempest]

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It's absurd there is a second thought about banning smoking in restaurants and indoor public places...I may be only 21 but if I had kids I surely would not want to have them suffer inhaling smoke because someone else has made poor choices.

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Why would you be wilfully taking your kids into smoke filled areas? You have the right not go into those areas...use it. Why do you believe it is OK to restrict other's rights to expand your own?

I agree with sprintman (

), smoking makes no sense to me, but a lot of things other people do don't make sense to me either. That does not mean those things should be ban. If things like this continue, it's only a matter of time before someone else wants to ban something you enjoy, and your case will not have a leg to stand on.

 

[Lonnie]

From Bob Newhart...

He was right, just eight years too soon. Still, his short-lived show won an Emmy, and the subsequent album of his TV work was his finest, including "The introduction of Tobacco to Civilization," wherein a telephone call from Sir Walter Raleigh prompts skeptical laughter in England:

"Are you saying "snuff," Walt? What's snuff? You take a pinch of tobacco (starts giggling) and you shove it up your nose! And it makes you sneeze, huh. I imagine it would, Walt, yeah. Goldenrod seems to do it pretty well over here. It has some other uses, though. You can chew it? Or put it in a pipe. Or you can shred it up and put it on a piece of paper, and roll it up - don't tell me, Walt, don't tell me- you stick in your ear, right Walt? Oh, between your lips! Then what do you do to it? (Giggling) You set fire to it! Then what do you do, Walt? You inhale the smoke! You set fire to it! Then what do you do Walt? You inhale the smoke! Walt, we've been a little worried about you...you're gonna have a tough time getting people to stick burning leaves in their mouth...."

Said H. Allen Smith, "That thing about tobacco and cigarettes is possibly the greatest single comedy routine I've seen or heard in my entire life."

 

[Blue_Goose]

They are banning smoking in NH restaurants pretty soon also...I never thought that would happen but glad it is happening. Unfortunately having a smoking section in a place does not stop the stuff from wafting over to the other sections.

Goose

 

[Shannow]

Tempest, in my world view, someone smoking at the next table in a resteraunt is violating MY rights to enjoy my meal, and he shouldn't be allowed to do so. (Unless the smoke can be contained purely to his table, of course).

I love hot sauces, but I do not have a right to run around the resteraunt spicing up everyone elses meals simply becaue I enjoy it.

 

[Tempest]

Shannow, that assumes that you have a right to be there and at your comfort level. Neither is true, IMHO. You are in an establishment that is privately owned, and the owner should be able to make the rules. Are your rights being violated if the coffee is too hot or the owner happens to like the ambient temp @ 37C or you burn yourself on a hot plate? How about if those customers order the smelly fish or just pass some nasty gas?

If you don't like the way the place is run or clientele, leave and go somewhere that is more agreeable. Market forces at work.

Do you guys have Hooter's (restaurants that is

) down unda'? Shurley people are offended by such places...should they be ban?

 

[moribundman]

I'm surprised at Tempest's ultra-liberal views. A real freedom fighter!

 

[alreadygone]

Arkansas passed resturant no smoking law some time back. A few enterprising individuals have taken advantage of private club laws to open "smokers clubs" where patrons MUST be 21 yrs old, sign acceptance of health risks (employees also) waivers, and can incidentally order food while smoking. Most (if food is any good) are doing a booming business. After having not smoked for almost 3 years, and not being particularly bothered by others (wife still smokes) smoking, it's worth being in smoking atmosphere just not to have squalling rug rats at the table next door. Quit smoking because of expense. Still enjoyed the nicotene energy boost. Have allways been rebelious enough that the jab at political correctness is more of a lure to start back than the need for tobacco.

As a traveling, contract nurse my wife found working in CA this past winter (good money) more accepting of smoking than here in Arkansas. In Arkansas, smoking on any hospital campus is illegal and can lead to misdemeanor fines.

Bob

 

[sprintman]

As it should be

 

[therealdeal770]

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There' also nothing quite like oral cancer.

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People do more harm to their bodys with the junk they eat and how much of it they eat than I do by putting Skoal in my mouth.

 

[Lonnie]

Smokers are litter bugs, too. Their trash is everywhere. It's a dirty, nasty habit and they throw down something they have been sucking on anywhere they happen to be. And worse than that, they stat fires when they go camping, and again throw their trash everywhere. Many smokers are just pigs and they smell. Outside a restaurant here in LA where people were waiting for a table someone lit up a cigarette and almost everyone went back in the parking lot and left. The only area available for waiting was a natural trap for the smoke. He looked at me and said to no one in particular, that he had rights too and was not going to put out his cigarette. My wife and I left. He had the place to himself.

 

[Shannow]

Tempest, so if you've got noisy neighbours, rather than imposing your will over their right to enjoyment, you'd move house ?

Your Hooters "argument" doesn't wash, as I'm opposed to all those trying to ban strip clubs, porn shops etc. They really ARE a case of "don't like them, don't go in".

I'd be happy for a number of "licences" to be issued to restaurant/pubs whatever to advertise that they are smoke filled.

I'm against the minority (smokers) stinking up every restaurant/pub in town for the majority, and potentially creating health problems for the staff.

If they created a product that they could "smoke" that didn't leave their immediate area, then go ahead and let people do it everywhere.

 

[ryansride2017]

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Tempest, in my world view, someone smoking at the next table in a resteraunt is violating MY rights to enjoy my meal, and he shouldn't be allowed to do so. (Unless the smoke can be contained purely to his table, of course).

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All of those My's and Me's. Let's go over this one more time:

1. You don't own the resteraunt.
2. You are a guest there.
3. Since you are a guest at SOMEONE ELSE'S establishment,
you play by THEIR rules.
4. If they say "No Smoking" (which I prefer) that is their
decision to make.
5. The owner is the king of his castle. He chooses what
happens under his roof.
6. If you don't like what is going on under the roof,
choose to visit another "castle".

It never ceases to amaze me how some people thing they have a ***-given right to dictate what happens on other people's property.

 

[Shannow]

We'll go over this one more time then.

You have noisy neighbours.

Get over it, or move out.

 

[Jaybird]

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Jaybird, banning smoking in restaurant, venues etc has to a lot to do with the health of the people who work there. The things you mention don't impact other people's health, smoking does.

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Narrow minded view.
Try thinking an important issue all the way through before debating it folks....
Too many of us seem to take on knee-jerk reactions to any topic that fits our lifestyle or agenda. Often times leaving comman sense and a perception of history at the door.

Yeah...alcohol is surely a good thing that has no impact on anyone else. No need for a ban there...no sir.

Argue away ye fat, drunken hypocrits.


I'm sorry to be so blunt...but some of these arguments advocating bans of any sort sicken me.
The Free Market is much wiser than any of us...and only fools, and those who failed history class, will argue otherwise.

 

[Shannow]

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The Free Market is much wiser than any of us...and only fools, and those who failed history class, will argue otherwise.

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LOL...you can't impose consumption of alcohol on another person.

 

[moribundman]

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LOL...you can't impose consumption of alcohol on another person.

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This thread is making me reach for the bottle right now at 5:55 AM!

 

[GROUCHO MARX]

Well. making cigarettes illegal is the next logical step. Anyone want to venture a guess as to where that will lead?

My guess is that a whole new brand of "drug" trafficker will emerge. One who pays little to no tax and becomes extremely wealthy while draining millions of tax dollars in society's attempt to rein him/her into the justice system.

 

[alreadygone]

Doubt there's any place in the world without a willing workforce of smokers for foodservice jobs in smoking extablishments.

Bob