That discharge is like a catchcan, designed to keep debris from building up overwhelmingly
SIG Sauer P320 self discharges
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If youtube did not exist........would there really be a known issue? I suspect that if this was an issue, that could be replicated, there would be a bunch of videos about it, and Sig would have to recall them and fix the issue. I think I have seen one video where someone could replicate the issue..........not to say there is not an issue.......just saying. Kind of like UFOs and bigfoot.
Reminds me of the old Remington 700 trigger thing......come to find out, it was not Remingtons fault, it was aftermarket triggers and gunsmiths making the gun unsafe.
That said, just because it is made by one of Sigs companies, does not make it an excellent product. Basing things on reputation can be dangerous.
Personally, I dont know why Sig won the contract.....well I do, and it was not by merit.
Reminds me of the old Remington 700 trigger thing......come to find out, it was not Remingtons fault, it was aftermarket triggers and gunsmiths making the gun unsafe.
That said, just because it is made by one of Sigs companies, does not make it an excellent product. Basing things on reputation can be dangerous.
Personally, I dont know why Sig won the contract.....well I do, and it was not by merit.
There are YouTube videos that claim to replicate the issue, but like anything in life, chances are the YouTubers just want their 5 minutes of fame and clicks. We don’t know how legitimate these “tests” are. It wouldn’t be hard to modify the internals just to make the outcome the creator desires.
That is why I didn’t post any of those videos.
That is why I didn’t post any of those videos.
New rule of gun safety:
Treat all guns if they're a sig p320.
Treat all guns if they're a sig p320.
I carried the exact SIG P320 equipped with a red dot and night light in a polymer holster for the past 7 years. It shot well, and I never had an accidental discharge. Needless to say recently they were all traded for Glocks.
I am seeing more gun ranges post rules online and at the range prohibiting the P320 from being brought onto their property. Banned. No sale, trade, carry, shooting, or repair work on the P320 is allowed.
I am seeing more gun ranges post rules online and at the range prohibiting the P320 from being brought onto their property. Banned. No sale, trade, carry, shooting, or repair work on the P320 is allowed.
P365 has no such issue
I suspect this is due to liability and fear lawsuits due to the publicity surrounding the small number of published cases rather than actual experience.
You’ve chosen a good gun.
I’m not sure you chose it for the right reasons.
The P365 doesn’t have any of the problems that the P320 does. It’s not a SIG issue, if there is even an issue at all, it is a P320 issue.
I know that the issue is a 320 issue and not a 365 issue. I guess it's the way sig has handled or should I say not handled the issue with the 320. Made me think that if I did have an issue with the 365 I was not confident that they would be there on the customer service end. I know they can make a really great firearm but customer service is important to me in the end.
Guns don't kill, people kill, unless it's a Sig. And Sig is in denial too. That gun was a problem since it came about years back, there was quite a bit of chatter on it in competitive pistol shooting circles. It's getting banned now in competitions.
Not sure about you, but I do not see any analysis in this video, just another youtuber stating his opinion.
He brings up valid points, but no data to back it up.
Big P320 fanboy here, swore it was better than a G19
Time to eat my words... Going to pickup a G45 MOS soon
P320 is sat on my desk unloaded
Time to eat my words... Going to pickup a G45 MOS soon
P320 is sat on my desk unloaded
Sig USA is a garbage company selling overpriced junk. Hopefully they crash and burn. This type of negligence should never be tolerated or accepted. They have lost several lawsuits over the 320 and now an Airman lost his life. The 320 was garbage when it was the hammer fired 250. Just garbage.
There are dozens of videos currently posted in the the past week showing the trigger being pushed back 1mm to simulate carbon build up and wiggling the slide and discharging. Repeatable 110% every single try in their videos.
Like anything else that shows a "problem/defect", it is a small example of the total number of units it represents. So is it a widespread "defect" or is it confined to those examples in the videos? We don't know. The ones I have seen, have shown that in the case of some 320s (confined to those in the videos, and assumed as an acceptable representation), the striker safety is fully disengaged when all of the slack trigger travel (pre-travel) is taken up and the trigger is at "the wall" (about to fire). Is it responsible for the unintended discharges? Again, we don't know, but it does show that theoretically the gun can fire with very little trigger movement. But there still has to be trigger movement to "take up the slack" (pre-travel). Attributing it to "carbon build-up" as you said it rather far fetched IMHO because that would mean a gross neglect of basic pistol maintenance. 1mm of carbon would be quite a bit. Guess it may be possible because not everyone takes care of their firearms as they should. This is still not a defect that is attributable to design per se.
No one likes to have error pointed at themselves, and please don't take this as defense of Sig from some "fan-boi", but everything I have seen and heard points to some sort of error on the operator to some degree. Again, I use myself and my pistol to form this opinion as it has never had any unintentional/unintended discharges with mine. I am not a firearms expert or engineer/designer whatsoever, but have felt that for duty use, a better safety system should be used. A dedicated trigger safety that prevents movement unless the trigger finger is placed purposefully on it and defeats the safety would be first and foremost. And in the case of the striker safety being fully defeated with such little trigger movement, and thus being the only mechanism that prevents the striker from moving forward? Yeah, that's not ideal, again IMHO.
Even with all of the safeties in place, I have seen plenty of unintentional discharge cases over the years, especially with holstering/unholstering the pistol. Like it or not, all were from poor handling, or a foreign object interfering with the pistol being stored (holster), and not a design defect. Once the pistol gains a bad reputation though, it is an uphill battle to overcome it. It's the theory of reputation, ie; you can climb a mountain a thousand times and still not be known as a mountain climber. But do just one thing wrong and thats the label you now wear. But with this in mind, and the not most ideal (IMHO) safety mechanism(s) design, I do think Sig should take another look and address the issue in all of the pistols manufactured/sold. But thats just me. ***Activates flamesuit***
Seems unlikely. I've seen YT video where the weapon discharges just but grabbing the slide and rocking it side to side. This creates enough movement that the sear loses retention of the striker.
IDPA has banned it from competitive use recently. The P320 issue is achieving (has achieved?) critical mass. At this point, it doesn't matter whether the P320 actually does have an issue or not. It's perceived to exist, and that's enough of a death sentence for the P320. Sig did themselves no favors with the "this ends here" ad or whatever it was. The snowball is effect is in full force and SIG is going to lose a fortunate and perhaps lose their business. It's a shame, all the great metal Sigs are deservedly legends.
The P229 might be the single toughest sa/da gun ever made.
I had an early P320 and love it. It had light primer strikes at first with hard NAO ammo, but a detail strip and cleaning of the striker channel and it was 100% with all ammo after that. I put a GrayGuns flat trigger in it and it was phenomenal.
But I traded it in on a CZ long ago and haven't looked back. The P10 is my idea of striker "perfection."
And this goes to my earlier point regarding, 'UDs could just be a matter of manufacturing tolerances or wear or whatever making some more 'loose' and prone to UDs while others are fine.'
My lightly-used (500-1k rounds) P320 has nowhere near the amount of play between the slide and the rails that the P320 in that now-famous video does.
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