Seems like the Purolator Classic is best, $4$.

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
If you "need" a silicone ADBV, for example my Jeep 4.0 application (sideways), or even my brother's old Tercel (sideways, eats nitrile ADBVs due to engine heat[?])-the MC, for the price, pretty much can't be beat-if you can find one that can be used on your non-Ford vehicle.


Your Cherokee uses the dirt-common FL-1A.

 

[bullwinkle]

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
If you "need" a silicone ADBV, for example my Jeep 4.0 application (sideways), or even my brother's old Tercel (sideways, eats nitrile ADBVs due to engine heat[?])-the MC, for the price, pretty much can't be beat-if you can find one that can be used on your non-Ford vehicle.


Your Cherokee uses the dirt-common FL-1A.

Or the FL-400S, which is what it'll get when (if) my supply of cheap PL30001s are gone.

 

[KD0AXS]

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
If you "need" a silicone ADBV, for example my Jeep 4.0 application (sideways), or even my brother's old Tercel (sideways, eats nitrile ADBVs due to engine heat[?])-the MC, for the price, pretty much can't be beat-if you can find one that can be used on your non-Ford vehicle.


Your Cherokee uses the dirt-common FL-1A.

One thing with the FL-1A, it doesn't have the silicone ADBV. The "S" on the end of the Motorcraft part numbers indicates that they have the silicone ADBV, I believe the FL-1A is the only one that doesn't.

 

[KCJeep]

Thus the reason for the FL-400S, actually spec'd for a Liberty I think but works great on the venerable 4.0 as well.

 

[KD0AXS]

Yep, wife's Liberty used a 400S and the Wrangler will too now that we don't have any more free dealer oil changes. Saturn specs a 910S, but I use the 400S since there's plenty of room for it. Lawn mower uses a 910S, would use the 400S there too but there's not room for it.

 

[zerosoma]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
Originally Posted By: zerosoma
Originally Posted By: 4ever4d
Originally Posted By: sayjac

But yes, for $3.27 at Wally, the Puro Classic is imo a good value ~5k oci oil filter.

I will second the notion that the Classic is an excellent value for a 5-7.5k oci. Most likely the best.


Negative. Quaker State filters at Menards on sale for $1.99 are the best! Same thing, different packaging!

Even sweeter when you get it on their 11% off MIR deal. Then they are $1.77!

Ehh, not exactly. The QS OF, when an efficiency rating is found, is said to be in the lower 90's as opposed to Classic's 97.5% @20um for most. Also, unlike the Puro Classic many of the QS filter apps are consolidated and downsized to the smaller/smallest size. Example, the common 14610/7317 size is downsized to the smaller 14612. The same may even be true of the larger 14459, it is true for other 'made fors' ProMotive and Group7. Not saying QS isn't a good value filter where available, just not exactly the same as the Puro Classic.


I'll keep buying the QS, more for me then!

 

[mjk]

I just took a Purolator Classic, on a 1994 Geo Prizm, to 6300 miles, and the ADBV was working fine.

I'd like to note that I've used quite a few of the Quaker State clones, sold at Menards. Any oil change over 5k, and the ADBV valve has failed. On a summer change, I had to dump oil early at 3700 miles. On that change the valve was fine.

Thus, they seem to be failing between 3700 and 5k, for my purposes...

 

[ledslinger]

The red
Originally Posted By: MarkStock
For the MC FL820s and Purolator equivalents is this true?

FL820S: Silicone ADBV & Silicone Gasket. Thread end bypass. 94% efficiency at 20 microns.

Classic: Nitrile ADBV & Nitrile Gasket. Dome end bypass. 97% efficiency at 20 microns.

PureOne: Silicone ADBV & Silicone Gasket. Dome end bypass. 99.9% efficiency at 20 microns.

Bosch Premium: Silicone ADBV & Nitrile Gasket. Dome end bypass. 99.9% efficiency at 20 microns.


The red gasket on a PureOne isn't silicone. It may have a red silicone coating, but the gasket is black. I cut one open and some of the red off the gasket was caught in the media.

 

[tenderloin]

The sealing gasket is PTFE coated. I assume colored red. The red anti drain valve IS silicon


In addition, PureONE oil filters offer:
Exclusive Micronic media which traps microscopic contaminants
PTFE treated sealing gasket for easy installation and removal
Silicone anti-drainback valve (as applicable) protects against engine dry start

PureOne Oil Filter

 

[gfh77665]

Originally Posted By: Jim Allen
I wouldn't be afraid to use an MC in a moderately long OCI,


Jim, in your opinion, what would be the max interval for a MC?

 

[Lowtech]

Funny thing happened at the last oil change. Normally use Baldwin filters in my 94 Cherokee 4.0 but this time I used a Purolator Classic(L14670)Just to see how it would do. Almost immediately I got loud banging to the point where I thought I had a spun bearing. Took the filter off and put the Baldwin I was going to use on and within minutes it was back to it's normal running.

I was very much surprised since I had used Pure Ones before with no problems. Talked to some Jeep friends and they won't use the Purolator filters...they tell me Cherokees don't like them. I have to agree. And no, I didn't cut open the oil filled filter so I don't know what might have happened internally. All I know is that I'm done fiddling. WIX/NAPPA or the Baldwins. An engine's not worth blowing up for 3 dollars.

 

[rslifkin]

I've had no issues with the Pureone PL14670 on my Jeep or the PL30001 on my mom's Grand Cherokee 4.0. The 4.0 is dead silent on startup, my 5.9 sometimes has a 1/2 second or so of lifter tick if it's sat overnight in cold weather (mostly due to the cam / valvetrain upgrades, I think, as the valvetrain is fairly noisy when running and it never had the startup tick when it was stock, even when running the same filters).

After doing a head swap on the 4.0 last week, it got a super-short OCI (about 50 miles) with a Puro classic L30001, no issues or noises due to the ADBV (of course, the filter was still practically new when it came off, but the Jeep had been started probably 5 or 6 times with it on there).

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted By: Lowtech
Funny thing happened at the last oil change. Normally use Baldwin filters in my 94 Cherokee 4.0 but this time I used a Purolator Classic(L14670)Just to see how it would do. Almost immediately I got loud banging to the point where I thought I had a spun bearing. Took the filter off and put the Baldwin I was going to use on and within minutes it was back to it's normal running.

I was very much surprised since I had used Pure Ones before with no problems. Talked to some Jeep friends and they won't use the Purolator filters...they tell me Cherokees don't like them. I have to agree. And no, I didn't cut open the oil filled filter so I don't know what might have happened internally. All I know is that I'm done fiddling. WIX/NAPPA or the Baldwins. An engine's not worth blowing up for 3 dollars.


One of the best UOA's Blackstone had EVER seen was my Cherokee, running a Puro Classic 30001!

 

[crazyoildude]

i use purolators on my cherokee and all is fine... Actually i have used group 7 on most of my cars in the past because that is what i use in the shop and they are made by purolator at half the cost to shops. The day i pay more than $2.00 for a filter is the day i stop using them. We currently pay a little under $2.00 something like $1.80 for most of them. My distributor tried to raise the price up a little twice the first time i said well... ok the second time a month later i told him sorrry so he lowered the price.

 

[bullwinkle]

Originally Posted By: Lowtech
Funny thing happened at the last oil change. Normally use Baldwin filters in my 94 Cherokee 4.0 but this time I used a Purolator Classic(L14670)Just to see how it would do. Almost immediately I got loud banging to the point where I thought I had a spun bearing. Took the filter off and put the Baldwin I was going to use on and within minutes it was back to it's normal running.

I was very much surprised since I had used Pure Ones before with no problems. Talked to some Jeep friends and they won't use the Purolator filters...they tell me Cherokees don't like them. I have to agree. And no, I didn't cut open the oil filled filter so I don't know what might have happened internally. All I know is that I'm done fiddling. WIX/NAPPA or the Baldwins. An engine's not worth blowing up for 3 dollars.
Weird-the PL30001s I've been using have been quiet on startup-with almost 211K on the '98 now.

 

[Lowtech]

I notice that almost everybody is using the PureOne filters and I had no problem with that one...it was a Classic that caused problems. Until I got the Cherokee last year I'd been using Purolators for years in a 95 F150 I'd had for over 10 years. Never had a problem with them. Never thought twice about using one.

Maybe it was just a bad filter. Or maybe the Universe was punishing me for trying a different filter every oil change since I got the Cherokee.

It was truly weird...

 

[jughead500]

I've never had good luck with the Purolator Classics on my Avalon. I have tried them three different times and everytime i would get the dreaded rattle at start up. It has never happened with the Pureones i have used or the the Bosch DP im currently using.
I emailed Purolator and it took over a month for them to email me back. When the R&D tech did, he said he would send a "return kit" in the mail so i could send the filter back to them so they could examine it. I've got the kit and the filter still but haven't decided if it's worth my time to fiddle with it. Not sure what the point would be other than them telling me that "yep, the ADBV has malfunctioned". I've had three of them that didn't work-I'm done!

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: jughead500
I emailed Purolator and it took over a month for them to email me back. When the R&D tech did, he said he would send a "return kit" in the mail so i could send the filter back to them so they could examine it. I've got the kit and the filter still but haven't decided if it's worth my time to fiddle with it. Not sure what the point would be other than them telling me that "yep, the ADBV has malfunctioned". I've had three of them that didn't work-I'm done!


Did you buy all 3 at the same time? Wondering if they all were from the same manufacturing lot. Could be the ADBV was installed backwards or something weird like that.

 

[DuckRyder]

Originally Posted By: jughead500
...I've got the kit and the filter still but haven't decided if it's worth my time to fiddle with it. Not sure what the point would be other than them telling me that "yep, the ADBV has malfunctioned". I've had three of them that didn't work-I'm done!


How much fiddling can it be?

The point would be that they might be able to determine what the issue is and prevent it from happening again.

 

[jughead500]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: jughead500
I emailed Purolator and it took over a month for them to email me back. When the R&D tech did, he said he would send a "return kit" in the mail so i could send the filter back to them so they could examine it. I've got the kit and the filter still but haven't decided if it's worth my time to fiddle with it. Not sure what the point would be other than them telling me that "yep, the ADBV has malfunctioned". I've had three of them that didn't work-I'm done!


I purchased 2 out of the three at separate times and locations.
I will eventually send the two that i have so they can determine what has happened.


Did you buy all 3 at the same time? Wondering if they all were from the same manufacturing lot. Could be the ADBV was installed backwards or something weird like that.