Sears/Craftsman/USA=ripoff

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Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL


I'm sure the people running the show over there make a decent wage. It is the people who are assembling your TV's, building your bridges, putting together your iPhones that are making the slave labour wages.


Exactly.

It's amusing that anyone would have the gumption to actually call the TYPICAL Chinese wage anything BUT SLAVE LABOR.

BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IT IS....A SLAVE'S WAGE!

And the worldbank.....HAHA...one of the most insidious organizations in the world. Criminal organization.
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit

Compare the price of a U.S. gal of gas for an example.

Less expensive Here in the U.S. or in Canada?


I have to say, I'm confused by the intent of your original post as well.

What do gas prices have to do with wages on both sides of the border?

Fundamentally you realize that the Canadian "gallon" is not the same as the US "gallon", right? Even if gas prices were somehow relevant to wages/hours/vacation between the two countries which are fairly competitive (as much so as two separate countries can be). I know many Canadians who work in the US and live in Canada and commute daily.
 
Originally Posted By: cchase
Originally Posted By: jcwit

Compare the price of a U.S. gal of gas for an example.

Less expensive Here in the U.S. or in Canada?


I have to say, I'm confused by the intent of your original post as well.

What do gas prices have to do with wages on both sides of the border?

Fundamentally you realize that the Canadian "gallon" is not the same as the US "gallon", right? Even if gas prices were somehow relevant to wages/hours/vacation between the two countries which are fairly competitive (as much so as two separate countries can be). I know many Canadians who work in the US and live in Canada and commute daily.


Well compare the price of a U.S. gallon of gas to the price of a liter of gas in Canada, the convert it either way so as to compare apples to apples, then tell me which is the least expensive.

Would that not be the way to do it? Is it REALLY that hard to understand this? Those Canadians you know who work here, do they fill up on this side of the boarder or in Canada?
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: expat
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: jcwit


Not in the U.S. economy, but maybe in the chinese economy. No more than I'd wish to live in the canadian economy with U.S. wages.


Please expand on this, as you appear to be implying that the wage differential between the US and Canada is somehow comparable to a situation with 365-day work years, 11 hour days and $0.75/hour wages.


Yes, having worked both sides of the border, I was a little Mystified by this post as well??


Compare the price of a U.S. gal of gas for an example.

Less expensive Here in the U.S. or in Canada?


20 years ago I thought the same way, but after a year in the U.S. working my butt off, I began to wonder where is.

It's swings and roundabouts my friend.
At the end of the day, there is not much difference.
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: cchase
Originally Posted By: jcwit

Compare the price of a U.S. gal of gas for an example.

Less expensive Here in the U.S. or in Canada?


I have to say, I'm confused by the intent of your original post as well.

What do gas prices have to do with wages on both sides of the border?

Fundamentally you realize that the Canadian "gallon" is not the same as the US "gallon", right? Even if gas prices were somehow relevant to wages/hours/vacation between the two countries which are fairly competitive (as much so as two separate countries can be). I know many Canadians who work in the US and live in Canada and commute daily.


Well compare the price of a U.S. gallon of gas to the price of a liter of gas in Canada, the convert it either way so as to compare apples to apples, then tell me which is the least expensive.

Would that not be the way to do it? Is it REALLY that hard to understand this? Those Canadians you know who work here, do they fill up on this side of the boarder or in Canada?


My point is, what does the price of gas have to do with wages and standard of living between the two countries. Gas prices aren't all that relevant unless you're a long haul trucker.
 
What I was/is/attempting to bring out is the fact most of the world lives within their means to a certain extent. I was using Canada as an example. My SIL is from Boliva, he returns and brings back various items that he spends very little for, example Nike shoes for $5/6 U.S. dollars, and granted the avg. wage in Boliva isn't anywhere near what we have here but hey stuff doesn't cost as much so they end up somewhat in the same boat.

Now then I've never been to china but I expect the same applies there, their "slave wage" allowes the people to live, mayhap not quite as richly as we do but there are those out there that think they live better than us.

Now is it possible for you'all to understand where I'm coming from?

Remember folks the No. Viet Nam soldier faught pretty dern hard for their country.
 
Your original comment was "no more than I'd wish to live in the canadian economy with U.S. wages".

Explain how this has to do with your most recent post. The money earned in the US and Canada is roughly comparable for any particular occupation and the price of goods is roughly comparable. I don't see how this would mean you wouldn't want to live in Canada making the money you would make in the US. I'm sure I'm overlooking the obvious here.
 
Originally Posted By: cchase
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: cchase
Originally Posted By: jcwit

Compare the price of a U.S. gal of gas for an example.

Less expensive Here in the U.S. or in Canada?


I have to say, I'm confused by the intent of your original post as well.

What do gas prices have to do with wages on both sides of the border?

Fundamentally you realize that the Canadian "gallon" is not the same as the US "gallon", right? Even if gas prices were somehow relevant to wages/hours/vacation between the two countries which are fairly competitive (as much so as two separate countries can be). I know many Canadians who work in the US and live in Canada and commute daily.


Well compare the price of a U.S. gallon of gas to the price of a liter of gas in Canada, the convert it either way so as to compare apples to apples, then tell me which is the least expensive.

Would that not be the way to do it? Is it REALLY that hard to understand this? Those Canadians you know who work here, do they fill up on this side of the boarder or in Canada?


My point is, what does the price of gas have to do with wages and standard of living between the two countries. Gas prices aren't all that relevant unless you're a long haul trucker.


Was only using it as an example guy.
Its something we all purchase and is fairly easy to find the price of and convert into the same quanity ie: U.S. Gal's or Liters.

Could have used shirts, or shoes, or a lb. of hamberger, or whatever but have no idea how to find the local prices for those items in other countries.

Sorta simple really, if you think about it.
 
I see that the current gas price in Canada is about $1.12/litre right now which comes out to $4.20 per gallon. It is about 90 cents per gallon cheaper in the US today.

This is an aside to the current topic, but I see that Canada levies about a $1.00/gallon tax on gas. The US has about 45 cents per gallon tax on gas.

That alone explains 60 cents of the 90 cent differential between the two countries.
 
Originally Posted By: cchase

That alone explains 60 cents of the 90 cent differential between the two countries.


Maybe he's quibbling over the other 30 cents?

I'm lost too. This thread has gotten weird.
 
Originally Posted By: cchase
Your original comment was "no more than I'd wish to live in the canadian economy with U.S. wages".

Explain how this has to do with your most recent post. The money earned in the US and Canada is roughly comparable for any particular occupation and the price of goods is roughly comparable. I don't see how this would mean you wouldn't want to live in Canada making the money you would make in the US. I'm sure I'm overlooking the obvious here.


It's my understanding everyday items cost more in Canada, I may be wrong, but this is what my neighbors sister and her husband tell me. Its also the experience I had the last time I visited Canada, going to Moosnee. I also understand the wages are higher in Canada, but I was comparing U.S. wages to Canadian costs.

Once again gas was only used as an example.
 
"screaming" was a bad word on my part. You are asserting that Sears ripped you off. You did NOT answer if you paid "USA" price for your original set or paid "chinese" price for it.

If you paid "USA" price, then I can understand your feeling of being ripped off during the warranty replacement.

- Vikas
 
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If you paid "USA" price, then I can understand your feeling of being ripped off during the warranty replacement

Thats part of the problem i think. I was a Sears in Nashua last week and the Chinese stuff is the same price as it was for the US made tool.
Some of the US made is still on the same peg with Chinese at the same exact price.
IMO thats the ripoff.
 
Originally Posted By: Trav
Quote:
If you paid "USA" price, then I can understand your feeling of being ripped off during the warranty replacement

Thats part of the problem i think. I was a Sears in Nashua last week and the Chinese stuff is the same price as it was for the US made tool.
Some of the US made is still on the same peg with Chinese at the same exact price.
IMO thats the ripoff.


Agree, I thought the deal was we trade our jobs for cheap junk? Well we are still getting the junk, except we are paying premium prices.
 
Originally Posted By: TurboLuver


Agree, I thought the deal was we trade our jobs for cheap junk? Well we are still getting the junk, except we are paying premium prices. [/quote]

We (the "citizens") didn't make this trade, our criminal legislators paid off by lobbyists made this decision. When Congress ceeded the Constitutional obligation to regulate trade they also violated the law of the land. Criminals all.
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: expat
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: jcwit


Not in the U.S. economy, but maybe in the chinese economy. No more than I'd wish to live in the canadian economy with U.S. wages.


Please expand on this, as you appear to be implying that the wage differential between the US and Canada is somehow comparable to a situation with 365-day work years, 11 hour days and $0.75/hour wages.


Yes, having worked both sides of the border, I was a little Mystified by this post as well??


Compare the price of a U.S. gal of gas for an example.

Less expensive Here in the U.S. or in Canada?


But I don't have to pay for health care, very little for drugs/medicine....etc. So it all works out in the end. Wages between the US and Canada are relatively similar; both are first-world Nations. So I really don't see the point you are trying to make.

I go home to my kids every day before dinner. I live a typical first-world life. I have a couple vehicles, a few kids, a house... blah blah blah.

The "typical" Chinese worker, who's situation I outlined in my post I doubt has any (or very few) of those things. No time for family life in an 11-hour work day, no weekend. No time for a car, or kids.... or. Well, you get the picture (I hope).

So no, I don't really see the parallel you are trying to draw between what obviously IS slave-labour, and slight differences between what happens in the US and Canada.
 
Originally Posted By: Trav
Quote:
If you paid "USA" price, then I can understand your feeling of being ripped off during the warranty replacement

Thats part of the problem i think. I was a Sears in Nashua last week and the Chinese stuff is the same price as it was for the US made tool.
Some of the US made is still on the same peg with Chinese at the same exact price.
IMO thats the ripoff.





+1
 
Originally Posted By: Trav
Quote:
If you paid "USA" price, then I can understand your feeling of being ripped off during the warranty replacement

Thats part of the problem i think. I was a Sears in Nashua last week and the Chinese stuff is the same price as it was for the US made tool.
Some of the US made is still on the same peg with Chinese at the same exact price.
IMO thats the ripoff.


I agree, not to mention that if they were priced according to the actual labor costs those that want to pay for the GENUINE Craftsman product will still have items to buy, instead of those looking for a "steal", getting something for nearly nothing.

Just shows all the more how corporate execs care NOTHING about heritage, pride and the country they actually live in.

Very DISGRACEFUL.
 
I live in the U.S., receive total free health care, that encludes everything, meds, hospital, everything. A couple of cars, fully paid for, a house fully paid for, kids are grown so they're out of the picture.

As you say blah-blah-blah
yes life is good.

I still do not believe the avg, cinese worker lives on substance/slave wages.

I guess I'll agree to disagree!
 
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