Sears/Craftsman/USA=ripoff

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Originally Posted By: stephen9666
Originally Posted By: Chris B.
In recent years Wal-Mart spent about 17 billion with China suppliers. In those same years Wal-Mart spent about 179 billion with USA suppliers. FAR more USA made stuff then China made stuff is sold at Wal-Mart. USA still manufactures many times more then what China does. www.walmartfacts.com.

Originally Posted By: Chris B.
Read the link. It says USA made products through US suppliers. It is a WM site so maybe they are making it up but I doubt it since that would be asking for trouble.


I can't even find the info you're claiming is at that link. Where is it? Can you provide a more direct link?


+1
I couldn't find it either???
 
Originally Posted By: Chris B.
I have a 2 year old so I know all about toys. I have been able to buy many 100% USA made toys at Wal-Mart. I have also just picked up a Buck 119 and Kershaw made pocket knife that are both USA made from Wal-Mart.
I know there is tons of china junk sold there and I try to avoid all of it if I can. If you look you will see USA made products in ever department as options to the china [censored].

I totally understand where you are coming from but there is lots of USA stuff to buy at Wal-Mart, Sears and other retailers. Just saying it is not true when folks say "99% of product is made in China" More like 40%-50%(that is just a guess).


I didn't say that you couldn't find US goods there if you look. You can, as they DO carry SOME American products. However, they stand in a sea of imported goods.
 
Originally Posted By: Chris B.
Wal-Mart sells New Balance shoes that are 100% USA made.


LOL I've always heard of the mythical "US-made New Balance" shoes but have never seen them. I just went shopping for shoes and all the New Balance I saw was made in China. I guess I should have gone to Wal Mart to find them!
 
Originally Posted By: Stewart Fan

I'll bet at least 50% of the Craftsman hand tools were made in China.


I take a look each time I'm in Sears and I don't think I've seen more than about 10% Chinese Craftsman stuff at my local store (unlike the Evolv stuff which is 100% Chinese) although there are some boxed sets that are Chinese. However its hard to say whether the stock is brand new or from last year.

The Craftsman stuff I see at Kmart is more like 50/50.
 
The only shoes New Balance makes in the US are specialized $150+ running shoes, from what I have seen. I highly doubt Walmart even sells them. The "normal" NB shoes are not made in the US.
 
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The companies are giving the consumer what they want.
Cheap disposable goods.


Well considering how the illegal free-for-all trade agreements that were passed with the overwhelming majority of the general public AGAINST such agreements it gives the new under and unemployed majority of consumers NO CHOICE..

FAIT ACCOMPLI anyone? Or should we consumers eat crow instead?

The fact is that after these criminal trade agreements were passed it essentially destroyed the middle class as we knew it along with their very good incomes from manufacturing jobs.

If there would have been a national referendum on the issue of free trade it would have been blocked by an overwhelming majority of the public, but instead our heavily lobbied representatives (bought off) by big business passed this legislation instead.

Unfortunately now most consumers make [censored] wages so they have no choice but to buy cheap slave wage goods from China.
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
For all of you out there who believe chinese wages are slave labor, perhaps you should do some research

http://www.averagesalarysurvey.com/article/average-salary-in-china/15201531.aspx

http://www.worldbank.org/en/country/china/data

Maybe this will help!


You have a funny definition of both "slave labor" and "research"...

The wages in the manufacturing sector are a tiny fraction of what they are in other industrialized countries. The differences in the standards of living are real, regardless of how positive a spin one tries to put on it. Sure, wages have increased. 2X nothing is still, well, nothing.



http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/ichcc.pdf
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
For all of you out there who believe chinese wages are slave labor, perhaps you should do some research

http://www.averagesalarysurvey.com/article/average-salary-in-china/15201531.aspx

http://www.worldbank.org/en/country/china/data

Maybe this will help!


Perhaps you should do some research. Typical Chinese guy working on the San Francisco bridge:

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Pan Zhongwang, a 55-year-old steel polisher, is a typical Zhenhua worker. He arrives at 7 a.m. and leaves at 11 p.m., often working seven days a week. He lives in a company dorm and earns about $12 a day.


Sixteen hour work days.
Seven days a week.
365 days a year.

He earns $0.75/hour!! And working EVERY day of the year, 11 hours a day, he brings home $4,380.00.

You don't call that slave labour? Do YOU want to do it?????
 
I went to Sears to replace a 1/4 drive ratchet that was stolen from me a while ago. I got the US made one, but when I took it out of the package to use it, it was broken.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: jcwit
For all of you out there who believe chinese wages are slave labor, perhaps you should do some research

http://www.averagesalarysurvey.com/article/average-salary-in-china/15201531.aspx

http://www.worldbank.org/en/country/china/data

Maybe this will help!


Perhaps you should do some research. Typical Chinese guy working on the San Francisco bridge:

Quote:
Pan Zhongwang, a 55-year-old steel polisher, is a typical Zhenhua worker. He arrives at 7 a.m. and leaves at 11 p.m., often working seven days a week. He lives in a company dorm and earns about $12 a day.


Sixteen hour work days.
Seven days a week.
365 days a year.

He earns $0.75/hour!! And working EVERY day of the year, 11 hours a day, he brings home $4,380.00.

You don't call that slave labour? Do YOU want to do it?????


Not in the U.S. economy, but maybe in the chinese economy. No more than I'd wish to live in the canadian economy with U.S. wages.
 
Its a shame sears would ruin a product like craftsman. My family and even my friends have the "old school" USA made stuff.

Never again we will shop at sears. Till we see some change in their production policies.
 
It's interesting that there is definitely some emotional aspect regarding our attachment to Craftsman that is higher than other major U.S. brands that have gone Chinese.

I think of Redwing boots, Vice Grip pliers, Stanley Tools, Reese Hitches, Raybestos Brakes, and many, many others. My workplace new John Deere rotary mower (bush hog type) has a Chinese gear box.
 
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
It's interesting that there is definitely some emotional aspect regarding our attachment to Craftsman that is higher than other major U.S. brands that have gone Chinese.

I think of Redwing boots, Vice Grip pliers, Stanley Tools, Reese Hitches, Raybestos Brakes, and many, many others. My workplace new John Deere rotary mower (bush hog type) has a Chinese gear box.


The better Red Wing boots are still made in the US.
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Then try here being as you'all don't wish to follow the links and read them

http://www.averagesalarysurvey.com/

Not slave labor

Remember china has the largest growing auto sales in the world, all done with slave labor.


I'm sure the people running the show over there make a decent wage. It is the people who are assembling your TV's, building your bridges, putting together your iPhones that are making the slave labour wages.
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit


Not in the U.S. economy, but maybe in the chinese economy. No more than I'd wish to live in the canadian economy with U.S. wages.


Please expand on this, as you appear to be implying that the wage differential between the US and Canada is somehow comparable to a situation with 365-day work years, 11 hour days and $0.75/hour wages.
 
Originally Posted By: cchase


The better Red Wing boots are still made in the US.


That is good to hear. I've been wearing Red Wings for 25 years and don't want to start buying Chinese all of a sudden.

Checking their website just now, I see the model I've been buying - model 2245 - is still made here. That makes my day! I'd been worried it had been replaced by a Chinese boot because the last time I bought a pair (in 2006) the sales guy said it was "discontinued" and had to get a pair shipped over from another store. Seeing it still on the website in 2011 is encouraging. I might go buy a new pair today even though my current ones aren't worn out yet.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: jcwit


Not in the U.S. economy, but maybe in the chinese economy. No more than I'd wish to live in the canadian economy with U.S. wages.


Please expand on this, as you appear to be implying that the wage differential between the US and Canada is somehow comparable to a situation with 365-day work years, 11 hour days and $0.75/hour wages.


Yes, having worked both sides of the border, I was a little Mystified by this post as well??
 
Originally Posted By: expat
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: jcwit


Not in the U.S. economy, but maybe in the chinese economy. No more than I'd wish to live in the canadian economy with U.S. wages.


Please expand on this, as you appear to be implying that the wage differential between the US and Canada is somehow comparable to a situation with 365-day work years, 11 hour days and $0.75/hour wages.


Yes, having worked both sides of the border, I was a little Mystified by this post as well??


Compare the price of a U.S. gal of gas for an example.

Less expensive Here in the U.S. or in Canada?
 
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