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jcwit,

I think that you are honing in on only one definition of junk; there are informal definitions as well.
"cheap or shoddy material"
"something meaningless, fatuous, or unbelievable"
per the Free Dictionary.
 
Originally Posted By: benjamming
jcwit,

I think that you are honing in on only one definition of junk; there are informal definitions as well.
"cheap or shoddy material"
"something meaningless, fatuous, or unbelievable"
per the Free Dictionary.


Most posters here I believe refer to junk as cheap and/or shoddy material, NO?

I see another 120 Sears stores are closing now as well.
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Absolutly amazing that all this chinese junk is able to build all these electronic gadgets we use. Simply amazing!


Assemble really. Most of the components on a GOOD motherboard are not of Chinese origin, though the boards themselves are assembled in China.

And this is much bigger than whether China can build quality goods or not; of course they can. The issue is with the standard of living in China and the labour vacuum we are experiencing in North America as those jobs are shipped overseas to a country who's annual average labourer income likely couldn't sustain your lifestyle for a month, and consist of 17hr work days and 365-day work years.

It is called a race to the bottom and while some of you are standing with your arms out-stretched on the bow of the titanic while it heads for the iceberg, others are too busy buying up the Chinese good at Walmart to even notice. But of course there are a few of us trying to turn the rudder to hopefully avoid this disaster that awaits us.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Absolutly amazing that all this chinese junk is able to build all these electronic gadgets we use. Simply amazing!


Assemble really. Most of the components on a GOOD motherboard are not of Chinese origin, though the boards themselves are assembled in China.

And this is much bigger than whether China can build quality goods or not; of course they can. The issue is with the standard of living in China and the labour vacuum we are experiencing in North America as those jobs are shipped overseas to a country who's annual average labourer income likely couldn't sustain your lifestyle for a month, and consist of 17hr work days and 365-day work years.

It is called a race to the bottom and while some of you are standing with your arms out-stretched on the bow of the titanic while it heads for the iceberg, others are too busy buying up the Chinese good at Walmart to even notice. But of course there are a few of us trying to turn the rudder to hopefully avoid this disaster that awaits us.


Its not only about computors and their parts going on the mother board. Its everything electronic, tv's, cameras, radio's, yup they still make those, and the list goes on.

Remember, for all the "slave" labor, china has the fastest growing auto market in the world. Strange.
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Absolutly amazing that all this chinese junk is able to build all these electronic gadgets we use. Simply amazing!


Assemble really. Most of the components on a GOOD motherboard are not of Chinese origin, though the boards themselves are assembled in China.

And this is much bigger than whether China can build quality goods or not; of course they can. The issue is with the standard of living in China and the labour vacuum we are experiencing in North America as those jobs are shipped overseas to a country who's annual average labourer income likely couldn't sustain your lifestyle for a month, and consist of 17hr work days and 365-day work years.

It is called a race to the bottom and while some of you are standing with your arms out-stretched on the bow of the titanic while it heads for the iceberg, others are too busy buying up the Chinese good at Walmart to even notice. But of course there are a few of us trying to turn the rudder to hopefully avoid this disaster that awaits us.


Its not only about computors and their parts going on the mother board. Its everything electronic, tv's, cameras, radio's, yup they still make those, and the list goes on.

Remember, for all the "slave" labor, china has the fastest growing auto market in the world. Strange.


That's what happens when you have a population of 1.34 BILLION people! They aren't all labourers. Do you think the boss of the guy making $0.75/hour isn't making enough to afford a new car?

The population of the United states is a paltry 300 million in comparison, yet manages to make #3 on the global population list, with the countries you out-source to the most coming in #1 and #2; China and India. Do you think this is some sort of coincidence?

And do you think computers are the only electronics with motherboards? My comment was made regarding electronics in general.

Even ASUS (yes, computer motherboards) advertises the use of Japanese capacitors. The Intel chipsets don't come from China, much of the hardware (Foxconn) does, but the boards are assembled in either Taiwan or China (ASUS is a Taiwanese company).
 
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It is called a race to the bottom and while some of you are standing with your arms out-stretched on the bow of the titanic while it heads for the iceberg, others are too busy buying up the Chinese good at Walmart to even notice. But of course there are a few of us trying to turn the rudder to hopefully avoid this disaster that awaits us.

The US is just shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic after it hit the iceberg.
The only way i can the US coming out of this alive is to put massive import taxes on anything Chinese.
The US does not need China, pre Nixon era even a Chinese postage stamp was illegal to own but yet the country was at its most prosperous when it was an export nation with zero Chinese trade.

Personally all i can do is buy first world made products and stay clear (if possible) of Walmart, HD, lowes and all these other stores that peddle cheap Chinese goods for high profit.
I live in America, i want to see every one of my friends and neighbors do well, drive a nice car and not some foreign made electric lawnmower with seats because its good for the environment or some fruitcake thinks its a good idea.
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Support that $ .75 an hour with a link please.


Go look up the Chinese bridge you guys just out-sourced, it was posted on this board a few months ago. The article linked about the bridge lists that as the average wage for the Chinese Steelworkers working on your new San Francisco bridge project.

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Originally Posted By: jcwit
You're the person making the claim, you prove the point!


Oh FFS, fine:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/san-franciscos-chinese-bridge.162453/

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Pan Zhongwang, a 55-year-old steel polisher, is a typical Zhenhua worker. He arrives at 7 a.m. and leaves at 11 p.m., often working seven days a week. He lives in a company dorm and earns about $12 a day.


$12.00/day in a 16hr work day is $0.75/hour.

Enjoy your bridge.
 
i contacted summit racing about them selling china made craftsman tools and there reply was basically f--k off. no more business from me
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Absolutly amazing that all this chinese junk is able to build all these electronic gadgets we use. Simply amazing!


Assemble really. Most of the components on a GOOD motherboard are not of Chinese origin, though the boards themselves are assembled in China.

And this is much bigger than whether China can build quality goods or not; of course they can. The issue is with the standard of living in China and the labour vacuum we are experiencing in North America as those jobs are shipped overseas to a country who's annual average labourer income likely couldn't sustain your lifestyle for a month, and consist of 17hr work days and 365-day work years.

It is called a race to the bottom and while some of you are standing with your arms out-stretched on the bow of the titanic while it heads for the iceberg, others are too busy buying up the Chinese good at Walmart to even notice. But of course there are a few of us trying to turn the rudder to hopefully avoid this disaster that awaits us.


Nice post OVERKILL.

I find some of the most insightful and well thought out posts here on BITOG come from our Canadian neighbors. That is interesting to me.
 
Originally Posted By: 91344George
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Absolutly amazing that all this chinese junk is able to build all these electronic gadgets we use. Simply amazing!


Assemble really. Most of the components on a GOOD motherboard are not of Chinese origin, though the boards themselves are assembled in China.

And this is much bigger than whether China can build quality goods or not; of course they can. The issue is with the standard of living in China and the labour vacuum we are experiencing in North America as those jobs are shipped overseas to a country who's annual average labourer income likely couldn't sustain your lifestyle for a month, and consist of 17hr work days and 365-day work years.

It is called a race to the bottom and while some of you are standing with your arms out-stretched on the bow of the titanic while it heads for the iceberg, others are too busy buying up the Chinese good at Walmart to even notice. But of course there are a few of us trying to turn the rudder to hopefully avoid this disaster that awaits us.


Nice post OVERKILL.

I find some of the most insightful and well thought out posts here on BITOG come from our Canadian neighbors. That is interesting to me.


At #35 on the global population list, yet one of the largest in terms of land mass, we've got a lot of spare time with all that distance to travel
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And he lives for free in a dorm and is more than likely given free meals.

Also seems you're unable to keep it clean even tho you use an acronym. Class act!
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
And he lives for free in a dorm and is more than likely given free meals.

Also seems you're unable to keep it clean even tho you use an acronym. Class act!


Well, you are a little frustrating to work with, as I figured you'd remember the thread instead of asking me to go find it for you. Being an intentional pain in the butt does nothing for your argument.

So instead of trying to turn this around on me by calling me a "class act" how about some comments regarding the facts I posted? The $0.75/hour is real, whether he gets room and board as part of his employment or not.

Guys working on the oil rigs get free room and board too, and they make a heck of a lot more than $0.75/hour!

When you were serving, were you given room and board? What was your wage? Was it more than $0.75/hour?
 
So instead of trying to turn this around on me by calling me a "class act" how about some comments regarding the facts I posted? The $0.75/hour is real, whether he gets room and board as part of his employment or not.



No, that room and board is very real, plus the cost of their living is completely different than over here.



You bring up while I was serving? Well I was ready 24/7 for whatever and yes I received room and board as you put it, along with my base pay of $90 bucks a month. Comes out to $3.00 a day.
 
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Originally Posted By: jcwit
So instead of trying to turn this around on me by calling me a "class act" how about some comments regarding the facts I posted? The $0.75/hour is real, whether he gets room and board as part of his employment or not.



No, that room and board is very real, plus the cost of their living is completely different than over here.



You bring up while I was serving? Well I was ready 24/7 for whatever and yes I received room and board as you put it, along with my base pay of $90 bucks a month. Comes out to $3.00 a day.


Well yes, I am curious. What did you make a year while you were in the armed forces? Obviously you cannot support a family on $90/month in a first-world nation.

And I am aware that the room and board is real (look at Foxconn city) however, these people are not working to serve their country, they are working to feed their families, whom they rarely see.

And of course the cost of living is completely different! That's part of the argument here. Do you desire to live like these people? Because that is the "competition" for our blue collar jobs.

You cannot survive on 3rd world wages in a 1st world nation, and as a labourer you cannot earn 1st world wages in a 3rd world nation.

This is how we end up with the trade imbalance and the entire argument for supporting labourers in FIRST WORLD nations, because they have similar living expenses to our own.

If your neighbour makes $12/hour working at a factory making tools, he is paying taxes and putting his money BACK into the pockets of Americans. He is helping support the US infrastructure and the US economy.

When you ship his job overseas, then he goes on unemployment or welfare and then becomes a DRAIN on that system. While his job goes to China to a person makes 1/12th that wage, and the price of the good he was manufacturing doesn't change, the company making the product makes MORE money that they spend to off-shore more of their products to put MORE Americans and first-world workers out of jobs so they can increase their profit margins. The only people who benefit from these actions are the shareholders and the people running the show, everybody else who was dependent on this company for employment gets screwed.

This is how you end up with a growing number of angry unemployed people who lost their jobs to people in India and China, this is how you end up with a staggering national debt that is growing at a rate of over a trillion a year. If the money spent in China was instead given to Americans, Americans working American jobs, paying American taxes and buying American goods, do you not think things would be different?

I mean, you obviously served your country, a place you respect. Does it not bother you that the economy of that country is headed down the tubes and it is preventable? That people's buying habits and the off-shoring of American manufacturing are key components in this downward spiral?
 
I mean, you obviously served your country, a place you respect. Does it not bother you that the economy of that country is headed down the tubes and it is preventable? That people's buying habits and the off-shoring of American manufacturing are key components in this downward spiral?



Wish I knew how to do a quote on a partial post as other forums allow but back to what we are discussing.

I believe the main idea here is living within ones means. Just as I did when I was making $90.00 a month. I live very comfortably on approx $6.00 an hour if I was working a 40 hour week. House paid for, 2 vehicles paid for, no outstanding bills, and believe me I eat very well and not from food stamps or from the local food bank.

Tell me, could you do the same?
 
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