Sears/Craftsman/USA=ripoff

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Originally Posted By: Loobed

Does anyone know if Ace Hardware, K-mart, or OSH replaces Craftsmen wrenches? They sell them.


OSH won't replace your Craftsman tool without an OSH receipt.
 
I decided to check out the tool department at Sears today and see how much had gone Chinese. I didn't really need to buy anything, but I decided aforehand that I might buy a new 1/4"-drive ratchet if I could find one with the polished-finish handle and US-made (my only 1/4" ratchet is an old Benchtop unit from Taiwan, part of a set that a well-meaning relative got me as a gift, not knowing I already had much better US-made tools in 3/8" and 1/2" drives).

It turned out all the Craftsman 1/4" ratchets and a few of the 3/8" ratchets I saw today were Chinese. I didn't see any 1/2" ratchets or torque wrenches from China. All of the separately-racked sockets and wrenches appeared to be US made. There were, however, some bundled sets of sockets and wrenches (on cardboard or plastic "flats") that were Chinese. The new black flat-finished wrenches and ratches are all Chinese.

Obviously anything marked "Evolv" or "Craftsman/Evolv" is all Chinese. The latter is particularly annoying because until they started dual-branding stuff, you had a pretty good chance of getting US-made tools just by avoiding the Evolv stuff entirely. Now the distinction is blurred because of the stuff that carries both names. The aforementioned Chinese ratchets carried only the Craftsman name however.

By this point, I decided I wasn't leaving without buying a new US-made 1/4" ratchet, so I bought one of the sets which included a raised-panel ratched (not the polished model I wanted) and a number of sockets, including a few I actually needed like 7mm and 10mm deep. Everything appears to be made by Danaher (manufacturers codes include H, G2D and K3Z). I've never owned a raised-panel Craftsman ratchet, but good or bad I'm not likely to break it, since after all, its a 1/4". I don't use the 1/4" stuff very often anyway.

It was disappointing to see so much Evolv and "Craftsman/Evolv" stuff in the store, and even more so to see people lining up to buy it. You can still get a ton of stuff there that's not Chinese, but it looks like most consumers just don't care. Note also that the racks of 3/8" ratchets included some from the US and some from China, and they were exactly the same price.
 
Originally Posted By: css9450
You can still get a ton of stuff there that's not Chinese, but it looks like most consumers just don't care.



They can't AFFORD to care much anymore because many of the good paying jobs in the USA have been sent to slave wage nations like China, thus forcing the poorer consumer to look for the cheapest thing they can find. "Free Trade" is nothing but a race to the bottom.
 
Originally Posted By: 91344George
Originally Posted By: css9450
You can still get a ton of stuff there that's not Chinese, but it looks like most consumers just don't care.



They can't AFFORD to care much anymore because many of the good paying jobs in the USA have been sent to slave wage nations like China, thus forcing the poorer consumer to look for the cheapest thing they can find. "Free Trade" is nothing but a race to the bottom.


The rub here is that the Chinese tools at Sears are the same price as the American ones that are being phased out.
 
Originally Posted By: TurboLuver
Does anyone know if the Craftsman Premium ratchets are made in china as well?


They are still USA made. But, there have been some rumors that they've been discontinued. I haven't seen any real evidence of that, however.
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Slave Labor? Or is it the Union Labor Here?


Convenient excuse. Im no union apologist, but no non-union US employee is going to compete with third world slave wages either.

Did you even have proof that craftsman was made by union laborers, or are you just propagating comentary based upon jealousy and half-truths?
 
Hey John, been away awhile! You have to watch with Craftsman these days. I just bought the Professional ratchet for $59, and it's stamped Made in USA. It does cost 2x more than the standard level ratchets. Seems the standard ratchets are chinese, and I suspect that as soon as the socket contract is up...same thing. I guess that from here on, go to Harry Epstein for American made tools.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Slave Labor? Or is it the Union Labor Here?


Convenient excuse. Im no union apologist, but no non-union US employee is going to compete with third world slave wages either.

Did you even have proof that craftsman was made by union laborers, or are you just propagating comentary based upon jealousy and half-truths?


Jealousy of what pray tell? Anyone who thinks that Unions are not a contributing factor in the U.S. inability to compete on the world market is in dream land.

But we shall continue as we are and continue to wonder why the chinese containers continue to supply us with most everything. Don't believe it? Do as you wish.
 
I received a professional 3/8" metric/standard kick for Christmas from my parents to keep at their place. I looked through it and found a few sockets mixed up right out of the box. It had two 3/4" deep sockets and missing an 18mm. I guess the quality control isn't the best anymore haha.
 
Originally Posted By: vaboom123
I received a professional 3/8" metric/standard kick for Christmas from my parents to keep at their place. I looked through it and found a few sockets mixed up right out of the box. It had two 3/4" deep sockets and missing an 18mm. I guess the quality control isn't the best anymore haha.


That always happens. The set I bought 12 years ago had some mixed up sockets. Call the number on the sheet in the box and they'll send you the sockets you need.
 
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Slave Labor? Or is it the Union Labor Here?


Convenient excuse. Im no union apologist, but no non-union US employee is going to compete with third world slave wages either.

Did you even have proof that craftsman was made by union laborers, or are you just propagating comentary based upon jealousy and half-truths?


Jealousy of what pray tell? Anyone who thinks that Unions are not a contributing factor in the U.S. inability to compete on the world market is in dream land.

But we shall continue as we are and continue to wonder why the chinese containers continue to supply us with most everything. Don't believe it? Do as you wish.


Not denying, but it is a convenient excuse when the reality is that Union or not, comparing THREE BILLION wage slaves in Asia to people in the USA expecting some level of standard of living. Unless the US manufacturing labor pool is willing to work for a dollar a day, they cannot compete. That isnt a Union problem, that's a national standard of living problem. So until we take our bulk standard of living and income to that of the typical Chinese/Indian laborer, there is a disparity.

But a non-union laborer isn't going to accept Chinese slave wages either. So union issue is little more than a convenient scapegoat in this situation.
 
My wife somehow managed to get one of the Canadian-made Craftsman 20-piece screwdriver sets for me for Christmas!

They no longer appear to stock the Professional ratchets at our Sears store.

On a positive note however, due to a suggestion made by somebody on this board (and I apologize, as I cannot remember who) she checked out Brafasco and picked up a couple Armstrong USA-made ratchets for me to add to my collection. Excellent build-quality, I'm going to be checking out their sockets next.

We tried very hard this year to make it a first-world Christmas. We succeeded with 3/4's of our items purchased.
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was at summit racing yesterday and they now have craftsman tools, they must not know that the info on being made in china is on the internet, also saw where sears and k mart are closing a bunch of stores, serves them right but americans will be loosing jobs over this. just keep buying cheap china [censored] and watch the jobs gone
 
I was at Lowes this morning picking up some water filters and decided to check out the tools.
Not one single Kobalt tool is made in the USA, nothing at all, thing is the prices don't reflect country of origin.
This is just not junk its high priced junk, a 1/2 flex head long ratchet cost $70 and is Chinese.

Thankfully i only have a few Craftsman tools and none are Chinese, i will be selling them off on ebay just to get them out of the box.
I'm afraid replacement parts in future will be Chinese and ruin an otherwise decent tool.
 
Originally Posted By: Trav

This is just not junk its high priced junk, a 1/2 flex head long ratchet cost $70 and is Chinese.


The ratchets are actually made in Taiwan, not China, if I remember correctly. Still, $70 is overpriced.
 
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