Royal Purple Extended Performance Oil Filter??

[GemStater]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: GemStater
Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
Believe RP has the same media Champ Labs uses for the Donaldson Endurance & Luberfiner Imperial XL lines of filters, slightly different from the Ultra-the RP media is definitely superior to the Mobil 1, not sure if Mobil 1 & Tough Guards might have the same media-but Mobil 1 filters definitely have the metal endcaps, engineered fiber for the TG.


From what I've gathered from talking to Amsoil's Product Specialist, Filtration/Aftermarket, and from what I've seen construction wise, the Amsoil EaO was manufactured by Donaldson or WIX and the media was proprietary Donaldson "Synteq" nano-fiber media that filtered 98.7% efficient at 15 microns absolute. When Amsoil shifted manufacturers to Champion labs, the Donaldson Syntec media was out-the-door and the efficiency rating dropped to 98.7% efficient at 20 microns absolute.

As far as I know, Champ/Fram/Rank filters use their own synthetic media and not Donaldson "Synteq" nano-fiber media. Currently, the only way I know of to get a Donaldson Synteq media oil filter in automotive applications is if you're lucky enough to have an application that fits the PH8A sized Donaldson P169071.


Now THAT explains why the EaO's, when I cut them apart, have different textured media than the Donaldson filters I've purchased (P169071). I've never had an old-style EaO.


I exclusively used the old-style EaO and it was well apparent to me that the smaller tea-cup EaOs were manufactured by WIX, those were the ones that had failures. The larger applications I used were clearly manufactured by Donaldson.

Shortly after Amsoil parted ways with the Donaldson/WIX construction of their EaO, the NAPA Platinum oil filter was introduced. At that time, I was hopeful that WIX had sorted out their issues and had retained the Donaldson Synteq media they had been using for the EaO, but unfortunately, we've pretty much proven that's not the case.

 

[ExMachina]

Too bad you can't get Synteq media oil filters in cars! Fram Ultra is performing highly already. That's one company looking out for us.

Truckers do get some interesting filters. Not for us, but its there.

Here, RP oil filters don't score as high as Fram Ultras on 4548-12.

 

[ExMachina]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
The Ultra is advertised as 99% @ >20 microns, not 99.5%

Fram's website says "99%+ at 20 microns", and I think Motorking was putting that at 99.5, kind of putting a "0.5" in place of the "+", so close if not the same.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Too bad you can't get Synteq media oil filters in cars! Fram Ultra is performing highly already. That's one company looking out for us.

Truckers do get some interesting filters. Not for us, but its there.

Here, RP oil filters don't score as high as Fram Ultras on 4548-12.


Well, you can, but only if you have an old SBF or SBC (think FL-1A cross-reference for the Ford). I've used them on Ford small blocks with fantastic performance, I bought a bloody case of the things and had buddies buying them from me.

Donaldson is probably wise to stay out of the car market with the stranglehold that FRAM/Champ have on it. They are VERY popular in the OTR and industrial side, which probably has higher margins too.

Their air filters are also exceptional, offering the highest efficiency and capacity in the industry.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
The Ultra is advertised as 99% @ >20 microns, not 99.5%

Fram's website says "99%+ at 20 microns", and I think Motorking was putting that at 99.5, kind of putting a "0.5" in place of the "+", so close if not the same.


It definitely isn't the same, one is a plus sign, which means it could be 99.000000000000001%, whilst the other is a specific number.

 

[GemStater]

In fact, I just went back and compared the old and new Amsoil g2192 data bulletin on the EaO oil filter. In the old data bulletin, they specifically state "nanofiber" media. Nanofiber is found nowhere in the updated version.

A shame that a few rotten apples killed the only nanofiber oil filter widely available for automotive applications.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: GemStater
In fact, I just went back and compared the old and new Amsoil g2192 data bulletin on the EaO oil filter. In the old data bulletin, they specifically state "nanofiber" media. Nanofiber is found nowhere in the updated version.

A shame that a few rotten apples killed the only nanofiber oil filter widely available for automotive applications.

 

[Oil Changer]

Show proof that all of this hyper-efficiency rating claims add one minute to an engine's useful life. You can't because it don't.

Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Show me a filter media that is better than 80% at 5 microns, with the high dirt loading capacity of a Fram Ultra, and I'll change brands. I'm not brand loyal, only performance loyal. For example, I was a Cleveland Cavaliers fan until they lost the championship to Golden State, just saying....
....And MicroGreen oil filters don't count, they cheat and put in a 2 micron filter in there. Not fair.

 

[2civics]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: 2civics
The construction of the Royal Purple canister as being superior to Ultra is factual from what I am reading here and that makes me lean toward using the RP filter. Yes I give up some modicum of filtration but I appreciate the construction of the canister enough to make the decision one in which it's a clear personal choice that can't be argued with.

Royal Purple makes a "tank" when it comes to the construction of their filters and it's worth the extra couple of dollars to me to reward them with my business.

It's a simple philosophy... Reward companies who go the extra mile to make a well constructed product. In this case, the durned thing is a "tank".

Construction is the exact same as the AMSOIL EaO FYI. RP doesn't "make" the filters, they are manufactured by Champion Labs (same parent company as FRAM) for Royal Purple, AMSOIL, Mobil....etc.


Point taken. So Royal Purple and Amisol have a higher standard to meet in their specs with Johnson Controls. Good for them.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: 2civics
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: 2civics
The construction of the Royal Purple canister as being superior to Ultra is factual from what I am reading here and that makes me lean toward using the RP filter. Yes I give up some modicum of filtration but I appreciate the construction of the canister enough to make the decision one in which it's a clear personal choice that can't be argued with.

Royal Purple makes a "tank" when it comes to the construction of their filters and it's worth the extra couple of dollars to me to reward them with my business.

It's a simple philosophy... Reward companies who go the extra mile to make a well constructed product. In this case, the durned thing is a "tank".

Construction is the exact same as the AMSOIL EaO FYI. RP doesn't "make" the filters, they are manufactured by Champion Labs (same parent company as FRAM) for Royal Purple, AMSOIL, Mobil....etc.


Point taken. So Royal Purple and Amisol have a higher standard to meet in their specs with Johnson Controls. Good for them.


Both are owned by the RANK Group out of New Zealand.

http://www.rankgroup.co.nz/

 

[steveh]

Show proof that all of this hyper-efficiency rating claims add one minute to an engine's useful life. You can't because it don't.


Exactly,it all the brain washing done by the leader of the cult!!

 

[ExMachina]

Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Show proof that all of this hyper-efficiency rating claims add one minute to an engine's useful life. You can't because it don't.
.


Show proof that MORE dirt inside your engine is BETTER for it. You can't because it don't.

 

[Oil Changer]

That's the type of response I expected. The type of response that made you think to yourself, "Yea, he's right". As long as the filter that is in service meets minimum OE standards, you will rid yourself of the vehicle long before you could even measure a miniscule difference.

If you're concerned about dirt in your engine, you should spend time in the air filter sub-forum. The air filter is FAR more important to engine health and longevity than the almost useless, lowly oil filter.

Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Originally Posted By: Oil Changer
Show proof that all of this hyper-efficiency rating claims add one minute to an engine's useful life. You can't because it don't.
.


Show proof that MORE dirt inside your engine is BETTER for it. You can't because it don't.

 

[ExMachina]

Oil Changer, you're wrong once again.
Stuff does get by an air filter, past the rings, into the oil sump.... where the oil filter traps it..... Sorry to be so grounded in engineering and truth Dude.

 

[Oil Changer]

So your truth means that no damage to the engine occurs as the abrasive particles are passing through? Can your engineering and truth provide any factual data? Percentages? Anything?

Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Oil Changer, you're wrong once again.
Stuff does get by an air filter, past the rings, into the oil sump.... where the oil filter traps it..... Sorry to be so grounded in engineering and truth Dude.

 

[ExMachina]

Oil Changer, go argue with yourself in the corner.

 

[Oil Changer]

I already had the feeling that was what I was doing since you have no argument.

Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Oil Changer, go argue with yourself in the corner.

 

[901Memphis]

As much as I disagree with oil changer for his brand bashing, air filtration is the key to low engine wear. I remember noticing that members who ran a used oil analysis every change would have lower wear numbers at the end of their air filter change intervals and sometimes spike the wear metals up right after the change . This would be due to the cellulose media gaining efficiency in the later part of its life as the larger pores get clogged resulting in fresh air being forced to find smaller and smaller pores to go through.

 

[901Memphis]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
The Amsoil and royal purple media achieves about the same thing as the Ultra. It's one thicker layer of micro glass media instead of the Ultras two layers of media. Between the 98.7 or 99.5 % @20 microns figures it's not a big difference. I am sure that the Amsoil and royal purple do pretty well at 5 microns too.


The Ultra is advertised as 99% @ >20 microns, not 99.5%

Jay used to post the 99.5% rating in his posts before the 99%+ figure. I'm guessing that they told him that some filters were in between 99.1-99.4% so he stopped using the 99.5% number... Actually I think I'll ask him this question...

 

[901Memphis]

Talked to Jay... He said all Ultra and Tough guard filters are between 99.0-99.9% efficient at 20 microns, so some do perform better than others which is why it's 99%+. He said that covers 35 different models and the packaging will soon be updated to reflect that instead of quoting just the few models they do now.