RLI - if you're using it, plese chime in

[ToyotaNSaturn]

Considering using their oil products. Their web site is terrible but it seems that they know what they're doing.

if you're using it...
1) Why?
2) any noticeable benefit?
3) have you performed a UOA--> results any better/worse than PP or Amsoil, etc ?

 

[StevieC]

I'm not currently using it as I'm testing Red Line at the moment but I have used it in the past for a couple of runs and I intend to run it again for 5 runs and do a UOA for the guys here who are interested in it and want to see "good numbers".

To answer your questions:

1)Because I wanted to try something new and this new renewable resource produced oil caught my attention after Terry told me about it.

2)According to Terry it is superior at cleaning your engine and keeping it in pristine condition while at the same time offering excellent wear protection. It takes a few runs before the wear metals in the UOA's come down and the TAN/TBN rate of change to stabilize. Some users on this board chickened out after 1 run and thought they were "destroying" their engine but failed to realize it was just cleaning house before it settled in. The TAN will naturally be higher because of its Ester content, this is why it is important to do a VOA before a UOA so you can compare the two as oils with Ester content will have naturally higher TAN numbers and so the condemnation point is different than other Synthetics that have little or no Ester content.

3) I have a UOA somewhere in my office (it's a mess at the moment) and it showed better results than both Amsoil & PP over the same amount of miles and close to the same climate conditions.

 

[lewdwig]

Originally Posted By: StevieC
1)Because I wanted to try something new and this new renewable resource produced oil caught my attention.


+1

I'm running it in my (son's) 2001 Saturn, I have some UOAs posted.

 

[Nederlander75]

Im now using it in an effort to help with the evils of direct injection and to get extended drains. I dont have as much time as I used to do oil changes. I have noticed slightly better turbo spool up in the 5w40 versus other 5w40s Ive used. Engine is noticably smoother as well. I will be getting a UOA in mid December from Terry Dyson, but will not post until I have a second to save the rash of "its killing your engine comments.

 

[ADFD1]

I don't think Mr. Dyson will have anything bad to say about it. Didn't he have something to do with the development of it? At least I think I read that somewhere.

 

[c3po]

Originally Posted By: ADFD1
I don't think Mr. Dyson will have anything bad to say about it. Didn't he have something to do with the development of it? At least I think I read that somewhere.


I read the same thing on another forum, it basically said that he helped develop Biosyn. So he would only say wonderful things about Biosyn.

 

[StevieC]

He has helped the company formulate it but swears on his private blog, to me as a customer and others that he doesn't get kickback or push the product for any financial gain but simply because it is a great product that performs very well.

Think what you want but I trust Terry.

Steve

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: ADFD1
I don't think Mr. Dyson will have anything bad to say about it. Didn't he have something to do with the development of it? At least I think I read that somewhere.

AFAIK, he definitely assisted in the development of some of their grades (e.g. the 5w-40), but the technology is RLI's.

 

[ADFD1]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: ADFD1
I don't think Mr. Dyson will have anything bad to say about it. Didn't he have something to do with the development of it? At least I think I read that somewhere.

AFAIK, he definitely assisted in the development of some of their grades (e.g. the 5w-40), but the technology is RLI's.


Cool thanks!

 

[CATERHAM]

I'm interested in their 0W-20 grade in part because AEHaas uses it in his expensive toys, it's bio-ester base and high VI of 177.
The VI is higher than RL but RL contains no VII's.

Recently though, the house brand oils of Honda and Toyota have caught my attention with their super high VI's (203 and 214 respectively) and their cheap price for a 0W-20; particularly Toyota @ $4.50/L.

 

[The Critic]

Originally Posted By: c3po
Originally Posted By: ADFD1
I don't think Mr. Dyson will have anything bad to say about it. Didn't he have something to do with the development of it? At least I think I read that somewhere.


I read the same thing on another forum, it basically said that he helped develop Biosyn. So he would only say wonderful things about Biosyn.


Exactly!

 

[c3po]

I was under the impression that if someone was in the Oil Analysis Business then all they would be doing is Oil Analysis.

This is what I see with Blackstone, I have not seen them recommending a certain brand of oil.

I kind of see this Biosyn Oil being a conflict of interest on the Dyson Site since he obviously helped develop this oil.

We have many SPONSORED Oil's on BITOG, Pennzoil, Amsoil, Mobil 1, and these oil's are proven performers, there's also Schaeffer's Oil's. I would think if Biosyn were a better oil we would be talking about it all of the time.

When I Googled Biosyn I did not find many threads about it on the internet.

I also had a member here who told me that his UOA's with Biosyn were no better than his UOA's with cheap dino oil.

 

[ToyotaNSaturn]

As far as Terry goes, I dunno if he does or does not have anything to do with RLI, but logic tells me this: why wouldn't RLI (or anyone else) use his expertise to tweak an oil formulation? Companies wouldn't hire rookies to do that. The company would want someone with a strong background to make their product better.

 

[simple_gifts]

No matter how many seeds of doubt people try to sow, they haven't taken root yet.

 

[ADFD1]

Originally Posted By: ToyotaNSaturn
As far as Terry goes, I dunno if he does or does not have anything to do with RLI, but logic tells me this: why wouldn't RLI (or anyone else) use his expertise to tweak an oil formulation? Companies wouldn't hire rookies to do that. The company would want someone with a strong background to make their product better.



Very true, but an agent or sub-contractor isn't going to go against a company they work for either, even if something else is available that might be better. That would be financial suicide.

Companies like XOM, Shell, etc. employ some of the very best minds to blend their products. I have a feeling Amsoil and RL have some pretty bright minds working for them too.

 

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: c3po
I was under the impression that if someone was in the Oil Analysis Business then all they would be doing is Oil Analysis.

Terry is a consultant. Oil analysis for individuals is a side business for him.


Originally Posted By: c3po
I kind of see this Biosyn Oil being a conflict of interest on the Dyson Site since he obviously helped develop this oil.

But he doesn't make any money off it.

If anything, he recommends it because he KNOWS that to the best of his knowledge, it's as good as it can be.


Originally Posted By: c3po
We have many SPONSORED Oil's on BITOG, Pennzoil, Amsoil, Mobil 1, and these oil's are proven performers, there's also Schaeffer's Oil's. I would think if Biosyn were a better oil we would be talking about it all of the time.

Not if nobody tries it.

People have favorites and are very hesitant to take a plunge with their cars. It'll take some time before enough people try it that BITOG can form an opinion.

 

[c3po]

RLI Bio-Synthetc 0W-20 [Re: Pablo]
Cooper


Registered: 03/02/06
Posts: 782
Loc: Buckeye Country, USA Well Pablo. I agree with what you are saying. I think that Terry is a very very respectable individual, and his services are worth much more than what they cost.

That being said, just to back up your point. Terry appears to be recommending RLI over all other oils. On his website here, it is clearly stated.....

"A GOOD IDEA FOR LOWER ENGINE WEAR
DysonAnalysis would like to share a product with those looking for superior performance and protection in motor oil. He recommends fluid from Renewable Lubricants, Incorporated. While DysonAnalysis sells only oil analysis reports and remains independent, recent test results have produced wonderful results in engines using their cutting-edge biobased lubricants."

I think that he has seen data showing that it has significantly lower wear numbers in an Audi R4 that had different UOA's with much higher wear numbers.

I don't really have an opinion one way or another, just stating what I have observed.
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I am glad my car is not made by Microsoft, for no reason what-so-ever, my car would crash at least twice a day.

 

[Greggy_D]

RLI is too darn expensive with shipping included.

It would cost $101.37 to change the oil on my Taurus and 3i with 5w-20 (10 qts total).

 

[Bruce T]

I'm in a similar circumstance to StevieC. I will be running RLI 0W20 in a 2009 Honda Civic Hybrid soon, primarily based on Terry's recommendation. However, I don't want to perform a UOA until RLI has cleaned things up for at least three oil changes. Here is the VOA on the RLI 0W20:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...;gonew=1#UNREAD

It's laughable when people say that Terry could have been bought off by RLI. In their arrangement, he is probably getting the shorter end of the stick. All you have to do is look at their website's industrial-based advertising, and you can see they have a small marketing budget. Terry recommends RLI because he wants to satisfy customers.

 

[postjeeprcr]

Originally Posted By: ADFD1
I don't think Mr. Dyson will have anything bad to say about it. Didn't he have something to do with the development of it? At least I think I read that somewhere.


I don't think Nederlander is worried about Terry saying anything bad about it, he is talking about others on this site saying things.